Idaho Falls Burglaries Increasing… Is it the gas prices?

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I’m just curious, but it seems like there’s been an awful lot of thievery going on in and around Idaho Falls lately. Maybe I’m trying to simplify things too much, but I wonder if some people possibly prone to stealing might be pushed over the edge because of the increased costs in other areas of their lives, like fuel and groceries.

Indirectly maybe businesses lay people off because they’re operation might be heavily reliant on transportation… you see my point.

Channel 8 (and probably other stations) had a story about a man and woman who stole a bunch of stuff from different homes, and even involved juveniles in their crime. There’s no mention of gas prices in the story. I know it’s an odd connection, but it just seems like there’s been a whole lot of it lately.

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I was in a Maverick last week and the woman behind the counter was telling me about the rash of “pump and runs” they’ve had lately. People filling up their vehicles with fuel and taking off without paying for it. I told her they should have camera’s installed and she said they do, but there’s this one pump on the far outside where the camera doesn’t get a very good view and people must know this, as it’s the one the always used for this crime. But even if there are camera’s, many of these theives have been using stolen license plates, so it’s next to impossible to catch them anyways.

That was one thing I noticed when I first moved up here a couple years ago, was the amount of gas stations that still let you pump your gas and then pay for it when you’re done.. I hadn’t seen that many many years until I moved up here. And there really aren’t that many gas stations that have cameras set up to monitor their pumps.
I have noticed however that since the price started really shooting up the beginning of the year, that most places now make you pay before you pump, so hopefully that’s helping to cut down on this problem.

I don’t however see this problem going away anytime soon. A lot of people in this town live paycheck to paycheck, and with the price of fuel and groceries at an all time high, we’re bound to see this trend continue.


Gas stations that aren’t prepay deserve to have drive offs.


I wouldn’t go that far. Their a business like any other just looking to make a living. That doesn’t mean they “deserve” to get ripped off. It’s just that smaller towns like this never had as many “big city problems” like they do today. I think it’s a nicety that is fading fast and it’s ashame that it’s come to this.
I’m used to either pre-paying or using my debit card anyways, so it didn’t bother me. They should make an example out of these people when they catch them.


I hate seeing things come to the point where people can’t be trusted. I’m from a small town (population less than 1000), and we didn’t even lock our doors at night. Keys were left in the vehicles so that we always knew where they were. People were trustworthy and their word and handshake was worth more than a legal document. I had a hard time getting used to the “big city” ways when I moved to Idaho Falls. I hate to think that things are going to get worse.

I wonder what could be done to get back to the “good old days”.


Re: Comment #4 “I wonder what could be done to get back to the “good old days”.”

Time travel, to a parallel universe. We have the technology. It involves a hollow metallic sphere, a 100′ slinky, electromagnets, and a large potato. 8)

Increases in thefts seem to hit around major holidays, as well, so any time there is a heavier demand on already stretched tight paychecks you seem to hear more about them (the thefts.) I disagree that stations without prepay deserve to be “ripped off.” It’s a simple matter of choosing to patronize another fuel service provider. How a business decides to conduct their business is up to them. Whether or not you patronize them is your business. But why commit a crime over it?


We moved to IF five years from Washington State. We have lived and currently live in a part of town that is considered “nice”. Never before in my life have I experienced the level of thievery and car burglary that I have been a victim of since moving here. I’ve had a GPS stolen through a sliding glass window. I’ve had a satellite radio set also pulled out of my truck through that window. I had an empty 5-gallon water bottle taken out of the back of my truck…for what? All of this happened in the course of a year or two, as well as other similar incidents. Some would argue I should take more care to “protect my stuff”. These items have been taken while I was in my home sleeping, my truck in the driveway in a lit area. My point is the problem was severe before…thievery seems to be popular here and I blame the meth problem. I assume the gas price problem will only exacerbate the situation.


Good point good humor man! (errr woman!)
I can’t say that I’ve ever lived in a town with less than 1000 people, nor would I want to in whereas everyone would know ones business. But in a perfect world, it would be nice to be able to leave your doors unlocked etc etc. but times they do a change and we can either learn to adapt to the times, or move to a secluded cabin in Montana somewhere. :) I can see how Idaho Falls would be considered a “big city” for those people that have lived in 1000 pop. sized towns, but for those of us that have actually lived in a “big city”, Idaho Falls is not considered to be one, although we find that it’s a great place to live and realitively crime free comparatively speaking.
My brother lived for a few years in a small town called Oberlin Kansas and I believe it had less than 1000 people. (although I’m not sure what the population is these days) My point is, I went to visit him one summer back in the late 80’s and when I got there, everyone was in an uproar that evening in the diner we went to. Evidently someone had broken into a number of stores along main street the night before and stolen some expensive items. So while crime may not happen as much in many smaller towns, no city is immune from a theft or other crimes from time to time. It’s been happening for thousands of years and personally I think we should never let our gaurd down.

In my opinion, things aren’t “just now coming to the point where people can’t be trusted”. People are human and the fact is, not everyone is trustworthy I don’t care where you live or what period in time you were raised. Crime happens everywhere and always has, from your quiet Amish towns in Pennsylvania to good ole Idaho Falls.

I think find humor said it best in that crime often happens more around holidays. But I also think that it’s always happened, its just reported about more in this day and age. i’m sure they had their share of crime back in the 30’s and 40’s when many of our parents grew up. But the fact is, they didn’t have a news crew on every corner to report about it either so you didn’t hear about it as much as you do today.

Good topic though, thanks Open mind.


Yes, it’s a good topic, I don’t know that I could draw that same correlation between increase in thefts and gas prices per se.

Increase in thefts to me happens at the same time as economic downturns, when money is tight and prices are high and it’s more difficult to get by on your paycheck.

I think our current times qualify for this description, and along with the other comments I’m sure that all these things together are helping “fuel” the rise in crime.


Hi Guest 006.5…….the Artist Formerly Known as…oh, never mind……..

I think soon we will all be using giant magnets and hand-spun wheels to power our cars……..so the gas issue will be moot.

:)


All I can add to this is that I think Guest 006.5 should change his handle to Guest 007.5. Just a thought, I’d stay ahead of the game if I were you :)


how about “shaken not stirred”??? saw a joke about that in the chatbox the other day, involving a frog eaten by a dog but emerged alive…….

:)


You guys are too funny! And I like “stirred & not shaken” but it’s too long to fit. Perhaps I’ll have a “choose a new screen name for 007 contest” and offer exciting prizes and cash for the best name. :) Ok, maye not, cash. lol

I like Find Humor’s analogy of a parallel universe by using a metallic sphere, a 100ft slinky, electromagnets and a giant potato! I couldn’t stop laughing at that one today! Humor definitely has a wild imagination. and her invention just may work. :)

I might also add that I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the great discussions today and would like to thank all those that contributed. I hark back to the days of old because everyone has posted civil and genuine comments and opinions today and it really feels good. It gives me hope for the future of this site and the great contributors herein.
Thanks again my fellow IFz’ers. Have a great weekend everybody.

(the artist)


Amen to that 006.5, er um…007.5 :) And cash please, no credit cards or prizes accepted. Well, unless it’s a really good prize. lol


I think 007 can post as “shaken” when a comment being responded to shakes him/her to his/her core.

As “stirred” when a comment stirs him/her up.

And as “mixed” when a comment doesn’t particularly move him/her one way or the other (ho-hum).

Schizophrenia is us. (sorry, sorry, yes I know that schizo does not mean multiple personalities as it did in my youth…I’m just making a lame funny.)


Now that’s good comedy folks! :)


You LIKE lame comedy, CR??? hee hee ;-)


I thought it was a pretty good comment for first thing in the morning! (especially being at 006.5’s expense) lol


ooh, “the artist”, I love it. Adds a touch of elan to this site almost like reading The New Yorker or something……..

maybe it could even be “the artistE” tee hee.

wow, this site feels like its old self today. have a great day, all…………


Wait until there are food shortages related to gasoline prices. I think home invasions will become a common thing to expect. I am sure John at ski’s gun shop can help you prepare for that. In the eastern united states home invasion crimes happen way to often. The economy and job market have alot to do with crime. When people get hungry poor and desperate they will do anything to feed thier families. I think the gas crisis is going to get way worse than it is now. Truckers wont be able to bring goods across the united states to stores and Trains will be used to save money. The only problem with trains is they do not drive upto the store and drop off the goods. Truckers still have to come and pick up the supplies and get them to the stores. Would you want to work as a trucker if your only making 6.00 an hour after fuel cost hit the pocket book? Crime is going to double and riots will be in almost every state across the nation. The government will respond with national guard like they did in the rodney king riots in CA. I see a grim future for America if something isnt done soon to offer everyone a cheaper form of trasportation. We have a very hungry Nation and millions of people who need to eat and get to work so they can support thier family. I know I would do what ever it takes to keep my kids alive. imagin a country frozen from transportation and food cost real high and rent to high for people to pay. What would you do to survive? The best method is to prepare for the worse. Stock up on canned goods and dried foods and water. Make sure to have several bikes or even a horse. So you can get around. Guns are very important to have also. Because people will litteraly break in and kill you to get everything you saved up for this period of shortages. Then to top all of this off people start welding small wind turbine devices together and using them for power or other methods because city power cost as much as gas. I THINK EVERYONE NEEDS TO SAVE UP ENOUGH FOOD TO SURVIVE!!! Do not count on our government to help you all like Katrina victims did. The government is a slow helper and never gets there in time. Lets all come up with a fail safe plan to survive. I can write up a good one and call it ” survival of the smartest ” lol no seriously we all should pitch in a few things and come up with a good plan that anyone can follow.


LOL….that’s a bit of a stretch qwest, but thanks for your outlook. Their aren’t going to be any “food shortages” though. The prices will go up of course, but shortages, I just don’t see it happening. And like everything else, they’ll go back down again. Don’t believe all the doom and gloom you hear on the nightly news. Gas prices will eventually come back down, it’s not like they’re going to stay like this forever. We’ve had flucuations in the price of fuel and oil for as long as they’ve been pumping it out of the ground.
I just don’t see the country running rampant with everyone breaking into each others houses and “literally kiiling you for your food”. This isn’t the “mad max” era, but you certainly have a vivid imagination, I’ll give you that.
Thanks for sharing your viewpoint. :) I needed a smile on this busy Monday.


good points, artiste (:)

I read somewhere that China is actually leasing U.S. offshore drilling sites and taking the oil obtained back to China……anyone know if this is true????


I like to think up plans and try to imagin what could possibly go wrong and how to deal with it. Contingency plans are good to have. there is nothing wrong with thinking ahead for the worst. What does everyone else think could happen? Use your imagination really think it thru.


Quest, you could check in with the survivalist groups, they have that same attitude (only they apply it to any crisis imaginable) of being prepared for any type of emergency.

Some local churches also have food storage as a common practice, for emergency situations.

But I agree with the others, I’m not seeing us at this level of crisis with this situation.


Easterner…..China is not drilling. That was a bogus argument that even good ole VP Cheney was forced to correct. China is not drilling. They might be exploring, but not drilling.

As for artiste’s assertion:
“Gas prices will eventually come back down, it’s not like they’re going to stay like this forever. We’ve had flucuations in the price of fuel and oil for as long as they’ve been pumping it out of the ground.” Fluctations in price have occurred, but we have never had this high of an increase….nor have we had this high of a demand and competition from China and India.

Truck drivers rely on diesel to truck crops, farmers rely on diesel for tractors, and those prices won’t change much due to lack of refining capacity and ethanol’s demands on corn supply (which also affects food supply). The politicians will probably jump in with policies that put a band-aid on a gaping wound.

Prices are here to stay at this level. We could count on prices stabilizing or dropping to some degree based on American influence to the Saudi’s to pump more crude (or lose our military help). With Sadamm gone, we don’t have that chip to play as easily–especially with a Shiite regime in Iraq now. This placates Iran to some degree and keeps them from pushing the Saudi’s to the brink of needing our help.

Thus, we have less cards to play on the Saudi’s in a twisted relationship intermingling US military power with cheaper gas prices through more supply. Another factor that has changed is India and China’s willingness to pay more for gas to keep their newly emerging economies humming along.

With all that said, be prepared to continue to pay high prices for gas. Besides, this all works into the plans of the Democrats to begin with. They wanted a way to wean the country off foreign oil. Problem is, it is being done with high prices to reduce demand and drive the need for renewable energy technology. While that is not entirely a bad thing, if you are a trucker, a farmer, or have a large family to feed on a tight budget this isn’t exactly what you wanted to have happen……because you can’t afford it like the limousine liberals and Rockefeller Republican’s can.

So, don’t knock the Mormon’s food storage idea. It may come down to that in the future….and the man with the most guns and ammo! lol


we arent at that high of a level but some experts have been mentioning it on the national geographic channel as being in the near future. Thanks for the tips with survival groups that would be a good idea to ask some of the survival experts at ISU what everyone should have on a list to get started. thanks so much for the good input.


hey Bundy, thanks……….I saw that China reference in a letter to the editor recently and just wondered if there was any merit at all to it……


is ski’s still in business?


No. Ski had health problems. Closed up shop.

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