Idaho Falls McDonalds Employee Stared at Young Girl
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The first thing my friend told me was, “I saw a pedophile at the Broadway McDonald’s today.”
She described eating in the play area, which was full of families and kids playing. She quickly noticed a male employee emptying the garbage cans staring at one particular preteen girl. She described how he was obviously going slow at his job because his neck was craned around staring at this girl.
This employee changed two garbage cans near the entrance, then wiped down tables, but the entire time kept staring at the girl. He went outside the play area and stood staring in, for several minutes, with what was described as a sick look, a sick smile.
Admittedly, my friend said he may have been slow, if not possibly retarded. However, everyone in the playroom became extremely uncomfortable with this McDonald’s employee actions. The mother of the girl in question was aware of his staring, and the little girl and her friends became aware of his staring.
The employee kept coming back into the play area, noticeably leaving items that gave him reason to return. Each time he obviously stared hard at this one little girl, apparently oblivious to how obvious he was being.
The most obvious and uncomfortable moment came when the employee began emptying two other play area garbage cans INTO THE CAN HE HAD ALREADY EMPTIED.
The McDonald’s manager came and retrieved the employee at one point, saying they needed help at the front, but the employee came back within just three minutes to stare more. In fact, my friend said he never left the area for more than two or three minutes at a time, and while there he creepily stared at the same little girl.
My friend left with her children because the situation was too extremely uncomfortable, so she does not know if more happened afterward.
Many folks we know will not be returning to the Broadway McDonald’s for quite some time, and not just because of the food.
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0 It sounds like he could have possibly been special needs but it still needs looking into by either the police, McD manger or both.
If I may ask, how old was the little girl he stared at?
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0 0 Just another reason that NO ONE especially children should be eating the “food” that they sell at these places. Seriously people it makes you sick.
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0 0 Did anyone report him to the manager?
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0 0 I agree, even if he was special needs he functioned enough to hold a job and caused everyone there extreme discomfort.
I was told the little girl looked like she had just hit puberty, probably about 10 or 11 years old.
My friend said she got the impression someone told the manager by the way he acted when he “retrieved” the employee. He said “we need you up front” and looked around the play area as if the employee was not the only reason he was there.
However, the manager apparently did not do enough, because the employee was back within 3 minutes and staring at the girl again.
My family will not frequent businesses where employees display blatant pedophilia behavior and the managers fail to do something about it.
Broadway McDonald’s is out for our family, as should all the Idaho Falls McDonald’s since they are all owned by the same person.
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0 0 You could be right about your suspicions or it could just be a case of an employee who has a mental disability. Some disabilities like Aspergers syndrome make it so those with it exhibit inappropriate social behaviors and they don’t realize it. Inappopriate staring is certainly one of those things and its very possible that what the employee was intrigued by the color of her shirt or something else, not anything sinister, and because of the way his brain is wired he got fixated on it.
A better solution than boycotting would be to sit down with the manager when its not busy. I repeat - when its not busy. If the guy is a predator the manager needs to know and the manager may be able to enlighten you if perhaps something else was going on.
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0 0 Oh.
My.
Gawd.
A poster with common sense and the ability to think through an issue.
Just when I was ready to leave for good…..
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0 0 if i saw this guy leering at my daughter for this long and this obvious i’d knock him out
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0 0 UGH!!! We were almost there! Anonymous almost left for good!
You know anon, you never post anything of value or substance. All you like doing is complaining about other peoples postings and never share any input of your own. Why is that? Must make you feel like a big man to constantly knock others down huh?
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0 0 Yes.
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0 0 Hey, Slim
So what was wrong with the comment by Anonymous? He was just lauding the contribution of Disturbing thoughts (which I also found enlightening). Seems to me that a negative response to Special code would be more appropriate here. He sounds like the same guy who used to beat up the handicapped kids at recess.
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0 0 I can see why so many people have stopped posting on this site over the past couple months.
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0 0 I think the perpetrator would be a convicted sex offender by the name of X [the pic was shown to the eyewitness and confirmed it was not the person identified here]. To the writer: Check out the Idaho State Police Website for this guy and see if it is him. Let us know.
Note: this information cannot be used to harrass or intimidate Mr. X under Idaho Code!
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0 0 If it is Mr X then by all means a complaint should be made to McD’s management so they can get him out of there. I’m sure that if you talk to the right person at a good time (i.e. not during lunch rush) something will happen. You should also make a report to his probation office if he is on probation. You could make a report to the police but they won’t be able to do anything since its not illegal to look.
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0 0 Here is Mr X’s profile:
[later confirmed by the eyewitness not to be this person]
I did notice something though. He was convicted in 1991 which puts him at 18 when he offended. Says his victim was under 16 but this is a case where I’d want to know more. If his “victim” was a willing 15 year old then I don’t really see him as a threat. If his victim (notice the non quotes) was a prepubescent child then he is a threat.
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0 0 One thing to keep in mind about most, if not all sex offenders: Their index offense they are registering for is usually not their only victim. Many offenders have multiple victims in their sexual histories. So, to say someone is a Statutory Offender may only show part of the story….You do have those consenting situations….and there are certainly cases where consent cannot or was not given and a definite assault took place. It is also possible that many hebophilic offenders (interested in 14 to 18 year olds) having already crossed sexual boundaries and having no empathy for actual and potential victims can and do seek out additional age ranges either/or younger or older as they find their niche. Without knowing the specifics it is good to have a registry and to take precautions no matter what and protect our kids.
Thanks for posting the ISP link.
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0 0 Disturbing thoughts: nice method with and without quotes in #15.
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0 0 Totally agree with Post #6 from Disturbing Thoughts! Thumbs up for Meso and Anonymous from Post #7!
I don’t really understand how posts #13-16 can be here with that much detailed information. A person’s name is beomg repeated for many to read. I’m concerned that information is here, as some people do look a like, and I’ve not read PROOF of anything.
How is it that you are so certain with your information, Mike in Post #13, that you post a convicted sex offender’s name here? What if you are wrong? Aren’t YOU then harrassing a sex offender by posting that person’s name here?
I have a hunch McDonald’s knows who their employees are, especially since it sounds like the manager retrieved the employee and tried to redirect the him.
I totally support parents protecting their children.
I also totally support those FEW agencies/businesses who are willing to employee persons with disabilities.
Having treated sex offenders for as long as I did, I know many facts about convincted sex offenders.
Um just curious about something:
Since when did convicted sex offenders NO LONGER have provisions of their probation or parole, including where they could work?
I’ve also worked with the Developmentally Delayed/Mentally individuals. I’m not sure, from your Post #5 Joe, how much you have worked with Developmentally Delayed or Mentally Retarded people and what you think the manager could have done better.
When you say, “However, the manager apparently did not do enough, because the employee was back within 3 minutes and staring at the girl again,” what does that prove? Do you know how difficult DD/MR individuals can be to redirect, especially if they are interested in a toy, or balloon or something they’d not seen previously?
This manager sounds like a very tactful and patient person to me. What did the manager say when your friend talked about the discomfort level in the restaurant?
I absolutely, positively believe parents must protect their child/children. Part of that means asking the Manager/Owner to investigate this further situation, with a report back to the parents. Also, if this is a DD/MR-placed individual, the Job Coach or person who placed this employee there needs the feedback as well.
I’m a little curious why no parent tried to intervene, if it was so uncomfortable for all there. Any adult could intervene while waiting for the manager, or others, to take over the situation.
I’m not fond of McDonald’s, but I will go out of my way to patronize at least one locally/daily, if indeed the same person owns all of them. If this is a owner is willing to let the disabled work, I will financially support his business (even if I don’t eat the food).
I don’t know who the employee was at McDonald’s today and some people do look alike. However, it seems to me that channels should be activitated and utilized to determine the truth. It appears to me some of us may have rushed to judgement without knowing the facts. I won’t be one of them.
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0 0 Good points, I’ll ask my friend.
I got the impression this whole staring period took about 20 minutes, quite a long time for a little girl to take a man’s uncomfortable stare.
My friend was not sure the person was challenged, she just said she got a feeling he might be “a little slow”.
That is kinda weird pointing out that individual person as the likely culprit? The only thing I can imagine is Mike went to the McDonald’s and saw the person.
However I will try to clear this up tonight; I’ve printed the photo and will show it to my friend if that was the person.
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0 0 Thx for the thumbs up, OK; I would be careful were I you, however, in making any commentary even remotely likely to be interpreted by others on this forum as “pro-sex offender.” Before you know it, you will be accused of being a sex offender yourself, ignorant to victims, an intellectual poseur, and a threat to humanity as we know it, all for questioning the wisdom of utilizing hysteria as a basis for public policy formulation.
FWIW…
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0 0 The “little slow” part makes me wonder more if the guy does have something like Aspergers or autism (this are closely related disorders if you don’t know what Aspergers is). There are high functioning people with both disorders and getting fixated and staring at objects is typical of some autistics. And they can be extremely hard to redirect.
To tell you how high functioning some of these people are - there is speculation that Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein both had Aspergers. Its got nothing to do with intelligence and rather has to do with the difficulty to function normally in social settings. Its not a fear of such settings although that can happen but rather the inability to understand why certain behaviors of theirs are inappopriate. Staring, tactless comments, inappopriate noises, outbursts, and similar. There is varying degrees and some things are worse or better in some than others.
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0 0 What gets me is why is this story being told through a second party? It’s kind of like gossip if you ask me. “I heard from someone that such and such happened”. Couldn’t this story be embelished a little more than the original? I mean, if it was a friend of yours Joe, I’m sure they know of your website. Why wouldn’t you have THEM post their story here? Instead of telling it to you, to tell to us. Ok4now is correct regarding mentalilly hadicapped people and their fascination with certain things, people, etc. It could have been a very innocent thing, that’s being blown out of proportion here.
Ok4’s last paragraph says it all. IMO
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0 0 Regardless of what this man may or may not be diagnosed with, I still am left to wonder - why an 11 year old girl? Why not fixate on a 25 year old man? Or a 50 year old woman?
Do those with autism or asperger’s fixate on a specific sex/age based on a prior memory? Randomly? Don’t have urges similar to a “normal” male?
If he is really a RSO, perhaps he should be making fries and not be allowed out where the kids are.
As for why your friend didn’t post, big deal, you did a fine job reporting the incident to us parents. If it happened to me I would need to settle down for awhile, but would still ask a friend to post a warning anyway.
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0 0 They told me about it in a visit the night before I wrote this. They do not have Internet. We did not talk about me posting the story. I just did it the next morning.
Yes I know to you it’s a third or fourth person gossip. To me it was a first person account, and from someone I know to be extremely reliable.
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0 0 Joe,
Did they give you any feedback on the identity of the person? For instance, do they recall this person wearing glasses, not having much hair, heavy set or stocky? Did they get a look at a picture on the State Police website?
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0 0 No, they didn’t describe to me. I printed the pic out of the profile you mentioned, and will try to take it by there tomorrow to show them. Was going to do today but you know how things go. I want to get an answer tomorrow so we can say yay or nay on it.
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0 0 Well I must say its kind of coming across the same way you “heard from a reliable source” regarding Frank V and his starting a new News Organization. That never materialized the way it was suppossed to. When someone else witnesses an incident and then attempts to portray it to somebody else, personal feelings and emotions get involved and then before you know it it’s spiraled out of control and a business or person is hurt because of a rumour. I think it would have been helpful or more appropriate at least if the story came directly from the individual that witnessed it, instead of everyone trying to speculate.
imho
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0 0 I can understand your point.
I don’t know what’s happening with Frank’s news organization and copycat website. I heard confirmation from two established Riverbend communications employees. Perhaps they are re-tooling the idea since realizing I would harshly criticize their copycat scheme, which makes me laugh more than their original scheme. Maybe Frank discovered it’s not so easy to launch a profitable and reputable news source. I heard him saying quite conciliatory things to the PR yesterday on the Neal Larson show.
I’ll show this to the person who told me their first-person account, and see if they disagree with anything I wrote.
If this is not enough for you to believe, then that’s your right and I respect your opinion. I just know who I heard this from, and I know they wouldn’t make it up.
I’m going to try stopping by today to show them the pic and get an answer on that.
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0 0 Thanks Joe.
I also think you make a valid point regarding Frank V. He might have looked into the website idea and realized it just wouldn’t be the cash cow he had hoped for and also recognizing that a site like this takes a lot of time to maintain.
btw…did anyone ever figure out who owns and/or puts out the River City Weekly?
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0 0 So the witch hunt continues…
Pedophile, sex offender, Asperger Syndrome or not, anyone who behaves this way in public–so conspicuously–is not likely to cause much harm in this particular situation.
If this man was in fact grooming the girl, he was broadcasting it to everyone in the room…and in doing so, alerted everyone to his presence.
I’m not saying I wouldn’t be creeped out. But this man’s behavior isn’t consistent with that of a predatory sex offender.
“Successful” sex offenders are devious, shrewd, and calculated. They prey on the unsuspecting.
It’s the wolf in sheep’s clothing we should be concerned with.
(There’s no rule that says someone with Asperger Syndrome can’t also be a sex offender. In fact, like many sexual predators, some subjects with Asperger’s exhibit a very high I.Q. But something as simple as a glittery butterfly print on the girl’s shirt could have been enough to trigger his fixation on her. The autism spectrum is still a mystery, even to experts.)
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0 0 You know what I find interesting? The people here ready to come to the defense of sex offenders. Whether he’s slow or has Aspergers would mean very little to you if put into the same position. Inappropriate is inappropiate. Stop making excuses for people for doing wrong. It’s people like you who do nothing progressive for society at large and instead mire the system down. Of course everyone has rights, but once someone has committed an act towards another, victimizing them, then they have waived their rights and I don’t give a damn for their rights. OK4Now seems to empathize with convicted sex offenders. Tell me, how many, and be honest now, do you believe have truly been rehabilitated after committing an act? They can’t be. You cannot do those things one day and then go back to a normal life. What about the victims?? Can they? Once tried and convicted, they should be lead outside and shot in the head. They would serve more purpose as landfill.
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0 0 Even if by chance it was the color of her shirt or something else he was fixated on, that customer had no way of knowing that. All she knew was that a stranger was staring at her young girl and it clearly made her uncomfortable.
I support businesses giving people with special needs jobs, but if they are expressing behaviors that the customers can misinterpret as inappropriate behavior towards their children, wouldn’t that be hurting their business? I know I wouldn’t go back if that was my daughter he had been staring at.
I think they should have them making fries or something in the back where they are not around children. Especially during a lunch hour that is sure to have a lot of children in the restaurant.
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0 0 Tech13, if you think that’s bad, you should visit the “Find sex offenders in your neighborhood” post. I think you’ll find “anonymous’s” comments quite disturbing! He seems offended by the “registry” that notifies the general public of their whereabouts. Like we shouldn’t have this information available to us to help keep our communities safe!
I agree, sex offenders should have no rights whatsoever. And I don’t see them changing their habits from one day to the next. I personally don’t think this kind of sickness can be cured. Not to mention all the victims that will always have to live with the horrible atrocity that was committed against them. This type of crime ruins peoples lives period.
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0 0 Parentof2: True, she had no way of knowing. She felt uncomfortable, and chose to leave. No argument there.
However, by not reporting the incident and the danger–real or imagined–to anyone, she left others at risk. She believed the man to be a legitimate threat, as evidenced by her quick exit to protect her children.
By her own perception, her silence provided this “threatening” person a reprieve. And perhaps, another opportunity to victimize someone else.
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0 0 How do you know she didn’t report it to someone? It is pretty clear someone did because the manager attempted to pull him away from the children’s area.
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0 0 Again, critical reading abounds. I never indicate that I am “offended” by the registry. What “offends” me are the closed minds of others who disbelieve the research that said registries do little to protect the public, much to victimize the members of the offenders family (including their children - so much for concern for the victims, eh?), and provide a false sense of “security” by lulling goofuses into watching the wrong people (most offenses, for the umpteenth time, are committed by members of one’s own family or immediate social environment).
[edited by site admin for putting down other guests; one can express disagreement without calling folks stupid]
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0 0 So, I’ll assume all posts referring to me as a sex offender, an intellectual imposter, etc., etc., have also been deleted/edited?
Thx for your consistency.
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0 0 Po2: If she herself had reported it to the manager, I believe Joe would have mentioned it explicitly in his re-telling of the event.
Anonymous: Such registries were created as a response to public demands, not as an attempt to publicly castigate these individuals. Unfortunately, our society tends to abuse many things, and the registries are no exception.
While not exactly flawless, particularly for the reasons you stated, they do help raise awareness. If anything, the message is to be attentive to–and parhaps a little cautious of–everyone around you.
They’re not the answer to everything, but when used properly, the sex offender registries can be a key component to keeping families safe. It can’t hurt to know your (potential) enemies.
The fact is, the sex offenders on “the list” are the ones who slipped up, and got caught.
Which is why I mentioned the wolf in sheep’s clothing earlier. In this scenario, perhaps it’s the polite gentleman in the corner. While he quietly reads his newspaper, he’s also watching very closely, waiting for a small child to enter an empty bathroom without supervision. Chances are, he’s not on any registry.
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0 0 great post Nevermind; and can I just add for us all to remember the reason for the creation of such registries: “Megan’s Law”, based on the case of a NJ family who had a sexual predator living next door and had no idea, as, at that time, notification was not legally mandated. After their little girl, Megan Kanka, was kidnapped, raped and killed by the predator, they lobbied congress to pass a law ensuring that anyone living near a sex offender was properly notified of the same. Can these registries be abused and used for harassment? It it illegal to do so, but sure, it happens. Do they serve a valuable purpose? I’m with Nevermind and others on this: YES. I have kids, I want to know if there is someone I need to keep them away from.
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0 0 While I do not agree with your point re- “using registries properly = key component in keeping families safe” (NO research exists that indicates registries have ANY effect on recidivism), I do appreciate your tone and consideration.
FWIW…
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0 0 Personally I think registries are well intentioned but end up doing more harm than good because they lull people into false security. Too many parents check the registry, see no sex offenders living near them, and feel their kids are safe. But the real threat to their kids are as anonymous has been saying, other family members, neighbors, clergy, coaches, and the like. Nearly all kids who get molested get molested by someone they know.
The simple truth is that if a child molestor wants to kidnap and molest your child they are going to do so and there isn’t a thing you can do to stop it unless your there when the attempt is made and can fight him off. And even then that might not matter as the cases of Joseph Duncan / Shasta Groene or James Woods / Jeralee Underwood show.
But what you can do to protect your child is prepare them for the other 99.99% of molestors out there who are trusted friends, family, neighbors, etc. Uncle Bobby who hugs your daughter just a bit too long. The teacher who likes to keep your child after school too much. The clergy member who wants to have special bible study lessons at home. These kind of molestors start out by grooming the child and won’t be found on a registry list.
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0 0 And now, a word from the Department of Redundancy Department…
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0 0 Memo to Tech 13:
Re: Your Post #31 which reads,
“Tech13 Says:
June 8th, 2007 at 10:08 am
You know what I find interesting? The people here ready to come to the defense of sex offenders. Whether he’s slow or has Aspergers would mean very little to you if put into the same position. Inappropriate is inappropiate. Stop making excuses for people for doing wrong. It’s people like you who do nothing progressive for society at large and instead mire the system down. Of course everyone has rights, but once someone has committed an act towards another, victimizing them, then they have waived their rights and I don’t give a damn for their rights. OK4Now seems to empathize with convicted sex offenders. Tell me, how many, and be honest now, do you believe have truly been rehabilitated after committing an act? They can’t be. You cannot do those things one day and then go back to a normal life. What about the victims?? Can they? Once tried and convicted, they should be lead outside and shot in the head. They would serve more purpose as landfill.”
Message: 1. Anonymous from yesterday was right. The fact I wouldn’t rush to judge lead some to conclude inaccurate information about me (go back and read it).
2. When I’m suppose to tell you about the rehab of sex offenders, how can I give you honest feedback after treating hundreds of hard care, the hardest care sex offenders what I think and know, as you have your mind made up.
Your statements, “Tell me, how many, and be honest now, do you believe have truly been rehabilitated after committing an act? They can’t be. You cannot do those things one day and then go back to a normal life.”
Excuse me, a few FACTS seem to be missing and while you’ve already arrived at what my clinical opinion will be, let me ask you about your background, graduate degrees and experience as an expert witness in sexual abuse?
How many times have YOU gone to a PRISON hearing to testify whether or not YOU clinically thought this person was safe enough to re-enter society and if so, where that person could work? I’ve done it.
How many times have YOU written letters to Judges, at all levels, about the safety vs. risk of anyone previously convicted of a sexual offense who has completed the recommended treatment? Would that be 12 or 50 times or 500? Or have you written any? I’ve written hundreds.
How many times have YOU been threatened by a convicted perpetrator or his/her family or friends with bodily harm or your own death, because you asked the judge to deny parole or probation, based on facts and risks?
You may be involved in AP&P and that’s great if you are, as you can obviously see one HUGE HOLE in this entire story, but you’re not pointing out and I already have.
How many years you’ve worked clinically, directly 1:1 with sex offenders? For how many years have YOU had to decide the risks a convicted sex offender posed to others. I did it for 4 years as the Director of an Agency in a state that only let certain agencies totally equipped and certified to treat sex offenders and victims.
How many agencies do you know that own plethysmographs? How many have your ordered for sex offenders to help assess risk?
I started an entirely new sex offenders program in another state for female sex offenders, which met a lot of resistance at the time. Many don’t want to think of women sexually abusing children. Some women, just like some men and adolescents are sexual offenders.
I have treated hundreds of victims - why do you think I started the female sex offenders program elsewhere, if your are so well versed in the FACTS about victims and perpetrators? I doubt you can connect those dots, but some might be able to do so.
I’ve dealt with families where their 2 month old daughter was raped. And to be perfectly clear here, I’m not talking penetration by a finger. I’m not sure how many here could tolerate reading some of the FACTS about the victims and their families which I’ve worked with, have endured.
Most want to vomit when I start talking about a 2 month old having to have reconstructive surgery due to the internal organ damage from the penetration, that’s if the child LIVED after the abuse was finished for that day.
Tech 13, your post makes me questions if your computer and mine are showing the same information in this thread. Your comments are absolutely ignorant, to say the least.
I have read NO PROOF of anything.
I haven’t even read about this person being reported to law enforcement and the situation pursued further, as it should be.
When the incident is reported and properly investigated and then goes to trial, I am totally open to the possibilities of what may have happened here. If indeed the employee was trying to gain access to this pre-teen for sexual gradification, as determined by a jury, I’ll support the consequences and punishments the judge sentences him to.
However, I’m not going to assume just because I don’t know what really happened, that a man is a sex offender when I know of so many other illness and developmental disabilities that can all account for a man looking at something. I wasn’t there and it certainly doesn’t sound like you were either.
As others have suggested, certain illnesses entice those who have certain toys, colors, perhaps something simple like an umbrella or jump rope, balloons, toys and many other things besides the person. I’ve read no proof, despite people feeling uncomfortable, that this person was trying to sexually abuse a pre-teen. But feeling uncomfortable can be due to more than ONE reason.
Mentally retarded individuals, by definition, don’t have high I.Qs. and their socialization varies. It is not uncommon to see mentally retarded adults want to talk to pre-schoolers or younger children who function more on the same level. Talking does not mean sexually abusing.
Nevermind has written some excellent posts in this thread. Please re-read them, especially Post #38. Nevermind is correct in what is written in that post.
If this thread has taught me anything, besides the fact many rush to judge others without facts, and know only partial facts about sex offenders, I’ve aboslutely been convinced 1000% that very few in society know much about mental retardation and the Spectrum of Autistic Disorders.
I sent your comments to a District Court judge I know. For those who know what expertise I have in this subject, your comments are not only ignorant, but laughable.
I’ve got a reputation already when it comes to sex offenders and I can’t repeat those words here (due to the obscenities used to describe how tough I am on convicted sex offenders, and the “name” they have for me).
However, I’ve always had police reports, victim statements, prosecuting attorneys records, plethysmographs etc. from which to gather information, as well as my own assessment. So my opinion is always drawn from my education, years of experience and the facts of the current case, not second or third hand reports.
Tell you what Tech 13, why don’t you, before you shoot the person, who hasn’t been proven to be guilty of anything, pay for a plethysmograph for this person so someone can get some factual information?
Then you won’t have to feel guilt if your wrong and you can feel totally vindicated if you were right. But, what if you are wrong? What if those who have patiently been trying to educate others in this thread to be protective of their children, but not jump to automatic conclusions, are right?
Get me a case number and I will review the facts for no fee. It’s easy to find the patterns when someone who has the training and expertise to do so. And let me know where you will be paying for a plethysmograph for this person as I’ll need those results as well.
Let me know when you have the tests arranged, the appropriate law enforcement statesments and others statements ready, so I can review them and prepare a report just like I would for a judge (minus my personal interview/assessment of the indivdual).
Oh, BTW - when you are ready to compare your CV to mine and what I’ve done for society compared to you, let me know that as well. I know what my CV has on it. What does yours?
You want to up the ante here, fine? I’ve just called. Get the crime reported and investigated. IF law enforcement believes this employee is a sexual offender, or convicted sexual offender, then YOU order and pay for the plethysmograph. And I’ll write the report.
Doesn’t anyone else here get tired of the “guilty by gossip” mentality? I guess if it were you Tech 13 or a member of your family, you would want us to rush to convict before knowing the facts, right?
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0 0 Thank you, Ok4Now. I’ve stayed out of this conversation up until now. It’s so frustrating when some people think that if you don’t agree to castrate and lynch someone who somebody else THINKS is a sex offender, then by association you love sex offenders and probably are one. Sadly, the people who could gain the most enlightenment by your post probably either won’t read it or already have their minds made up. Thank you for your perspective.
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0 0 Actually, anonymous, I am not suggesting the registries change behavior on the part of the offender; it just gives notice to families to make them aware of a heightened risk.
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0 0 …and it’s too bad we have to resort to such measures to remind parents to watch out for the welfare of their children…
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0 0 OK, I got more of the story.
The whole episode actually took closer to 45 minutes of this guy staring down this little girl, rather than the 20 minutes I thought before. Much worse behavior.
When he emptied the garbage from one can into the other, it was actually the garbage bags from THE FRONT of the restaurant by the pop machines that he took to the back, and emptied the trash into the cans he had just emptied, the whole time staring at the girl. It seemed very deliberate.
The girl and her mom went to the bathrooms, and the guy followed them step by step, turn by turn through the restaurant to the bathrooms. He did not go back to the restrooms, but went to the kitchen area.
The guy was NOT the one Mike pointed to. He was about the same age, 40-ish, had a full head of hair, and it was blonde. He was kind of short also.
The mom was who complained to the manager, who then took another five minutes to come retrieve the employee. My friend noticed the manager was a “scuzzy looking dude” himself, causing her to wonder what kind of employees handled her food there.
The guy went and wiped the same tables several times over in the play area. He would also take pick up some trays to take back, but would obviously leave one to have an excuse to go back yet again to retrieve it later, and of course to stare this girl down.
When my friend left McDonalds, she was nearly in tears because of this employee’s actions.
She said when she left, the employee also left, the McD’s employee(s) put him on one of those SOS buses. So that could be a strong indicator he was mentally challenged.
Am I wrong in thinking Asperger’s is more of a fixation during the time of sight, not a pathological returning to the scene to keep staring, not a pathological following of the fixated object?
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0 0 Aspergers and autism are both closely related. Sometimes Aspergers is referred to as a type of autism. I’m going to refer to it as autism from here out but in reality it could be either. This disorder isn’t very well understood and the range of affliction varies greatly. Some autistics are extremely intelligent and high functioning but have extreme emotional problems. Others are almost completely non verbal. Others are like Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man. Others you would never know there was something wrong with them unless you really got to know them.
I think I was the one who first brought it up as a possibility since it sounds so similar to the behavior displayed by some autistics. And usually when this kind of behavior occurs it happens for reasons that only make sense to the autistic person. Someone earlier made the example of a butterfly on the girls shirt being the focus not the girl herself. Thats entirely true. Once some autistics get fixated on something, that thing can be the only thing that matters to them for a quite a while as autistics can be very very obsessive / compulsive.
I’m by no means an expert on the subject though so don’t take anything I say as gospel. Most of what I know is from my former stepmother who is an expert as she is a doctor specializing in it. So I probably know more than the average person but I’m by no means qualified to fully or accurately describe the disorder beyond generalities.
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0 0 Joe
Are you going to continue to leave the person’s name on here, that Mike found and reported? Given your previous post, you have confirmed the person Mike suggested is NOT the person involved with the situation at McDonald’s.
Should all sex offenders names just be posted on Idaho Fallz.Com because someone looked and something occurred in an everywhere they lived?
I believe the most appropriate and responsible thing to do is to remove that person’s name from the posts.
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0 0 Hindsight is always 20/20. Why didn’t she ask him why he was staring? Generally, if it’s a disabled person, asking this question *will* get you an honest answer. If someone is staring at me or a child I am with, I generally ask them why. Some freak or just walk away but occasionally I have had some very interesting answers. Once it was someone intrigued with the pattern on the hand knit sweater I was wearing. Don’t try to provoke a hostile confrontation however asking someone a pleasant question is not out of line and would have perhaps prevented the entire issue from even hitting this board.
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0 0 Ok: usually I leave old names intact because a conversation has flowed with the name, and I figure vindication printed further down balances it out better than deleting the original instance, like in the Ralph Nixon thing on the other thread.
However this person was only mentioned once and linked to once, so it probably would be better to delete the instances in this case.
Hey, and I can prove I’m not on a witch hunt at the same time!
So with the new, more complete information I learned and posted last night, has anyone’s opinion changed from before on this subject?
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0 0 I would still feel the same about the ‘creepiness’ of the whole incident. There are a number of mentally challenged individuals that are convicted sexual offenders. Just because they are not the ’shrewdest’ offenders out there doesn’t make it any less uncomfortable about them staring down young children.
One poster commented that we should worry about the wolf in sheeps clothing….well guess what, many of these types of offenders don’t have appropriate social skills to begin with (both non-mentally challenged and mentally challenged). We have to be concerned about not only the smooth operators but the crude and unrefined offenders as well.
I think that another poster was right on track with the comment that management should be more proactive to place persons in customer service positions that don’t make guest uncomfortable and/or possibly put guests at risk. This helps the employee, the business, and the visiting p
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maybe they ordered a side of creep?