Idaho Falls Volunteer Daycare Inspectors
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It looks like Idaho Falls may adopt tougher daycare standards, and most Idaho Falls residents seem to favor the changes. The PR reported last week Councilwoman Karen Cornwell asking a group of daycare providers if they thought the city was being too extreme, and the group actually wanted tougher standards than what the city was even considering!
Bravo to our local daycare providers for striving for excellence.
One obstacle Mayor Fuhriman saw was the cost of daycare inspectors, a valid concern. I think this is another area where Idaho Falls can achieve something great in a creatively cost-effective manner.
I propose Idaho Falls first tries volunteer daycare inspectors. Perhaps model it on the CASA volunteer system?
How long would it take to train a volunteer daycare inspector, probably 4-8 hours? This could be done on a Saturday in a city building, or in one of the public library conference rooms.
How long would it take to inspect a daycare? Am I naive in thinking a daycare could be adequately inspected in about an hour?
How many folks in and around Idaho Falls are passionate about protecting our children in daycares? Many more than your local legislators believe there are.
I work full time, but I could donate a couple lunch hours each week to inspecting local daycares. If others can do that, each volunteer could inspect 4-8 daycares each month.
How many daycares are running in Idaho Falls? How many volunteer inspectors would be needed?
Volunteer inspectors could fill out preformatted reports, file those at city hall, and serious offenses could be reported to the police.
I think this program would be great for Idaho Falls, both to improve our local daycares and to get more people volunteering to tackle this issue ignored by our state leadership.
Where and when can I sign up?
What do you think?
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0 Wonderful idea Joe! The volunteers themselves probably couldn’t cite if problems arose, but they could warn and report back to someone who can.
Why not poll other inspectors in nearby cities and see what they check for, then make a form up? I know in Pocatello and Chubbuck a few years ago there was an actual police officer assigned to ordinance enforcement, and daycare inspections fell under his reign and supervision.
Wonder if the city would go for this idea? Volunteers really couldn’t deal with billing issues, rather safety, ratios, cleanliness, record keeping, etc.
I bet the bad daycares would clean up their act right away if findings were printed in the Register like the Health Dept does with restaurant violations!
As for time to do it, it depends on how big the facility is. One hour isn’t unreasonable for the smaller places.
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0 0 health inspections typically take an hour at food establishments. daycare inspections should take less time.
volunteer inspectors should be able to cite infractions. if they cannot cite, they should use cheap digital cameras to document the infractions so problems arent swept under the rug before a police officer can get there.
this seems like a cost effective solution
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0 0 Yeah I liked the idea too. Any idea on how many daycares are in Idaho Falls? I suppose I could look it up in the phone book…
The folks involved with setting the daycare standards would probably be most knowledgeable about how a this idea could or could not be implemented.
I think the paper identified Karen Cornwell as part of the initiative? Maybe someone can do the ‘email this article to a friend’ and email her for her opinion if this could work.
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0 0 http://www.kpvi.com/Global/story.asp?S=7171952
Regarding our fine citizen Kimberly Cooper and her daycare and now wedding crashing tendencies, this is a good follow-up news story about the seeming lack of punishment she received, with hints she is still watching kids in her home. She needs to go sit in jail for a while. What kind of parent leaves their kids with a person like her? They must not care about their children. Cooper needs her sentence reinstated and a nice stay in a little cell. I strongly suspect mental illness on her part. Am I the only one?
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0 0 I forgot to post this story, apparently Ms. Cooper has already spent 6 months in jail in Wyoming for stealing at a wedding in 2003! http://www.localnews8.com/Global/story.asp?S=7176849
Another reason why anyone running a daycare needs background checks and a license from the city before they can operate and watch x amount of kids.
Judge Riddoch barely gave her a slap on the wrist for what she did, so let’s hope now Judge Anderson has the sense to put her away for awhile.
Channel 6: “Judge Mark Riddoch said based on Cooper’s two previous charges of injury to a child and child abuse, she was given 60 days in jail. She was also ordered to not watch any children in her home, or have another day-care for two years.”
WHAT!? She only served 12 of 60 days in jail and had prior offenses? I think she is a big accident waiting to happen, probably to an innocent child, even her own. Get her off the streets!
Channel 8:
“No date is set at this time for when arguments will be made on this appeal in front of Judge Anderson. So for now, Cooper can continue watching children in her home, if she chooses and, as several sources say, she currently is.”
And no, I am not connected to the case, I am just a very concerned mother about what is being allowed in this city to happen with someone like her.
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0 0 “On October 3, 2006, six-month-old Jayden Schneider died at Kimberly Cooper’s at-home day-care. The autopsy showed Jayden had a skull fracture - Cooper never told anyone until after his death that he fell off her bed a week earlier.”
Has Tom Loertscher seen the light yet on why Idaho needs tougher daycare standards? Is this issue finally going to be worked out this legislative season, or do more kids have to die while these old men hang onto their old-time dreams?
What’s the latest status on Idaho Falls implementing tougher city daycare rules? I thought we should be passing them this month or November?
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0 0 The PR reports this morning on Idaho Falls’ continuing tightening of daycare regulations.
The proposed regulations include mandatory licensing for professional caring of at least one kid (state kicks in at 7 kids), requiring workers do 8 hours training annually (only 4 can be online), observe a somewhat-complicated ratio/points system that ensures younger kids have more providers watching them and that there are plenty of providers per kids.
And the current square footage requirement is 20 square feet per kid, 35 is proposed. The space increase requirement rises to that level gradually at 5 square feet per year for three years. This 35 foot requirement is required in 46 other states, Idaho is one of only 4 states without it.
The PR reported an interesting item, that IF has 150 day care providers! 26 care for 13 or more kids, and 62 in-home providers caring for under 7 kids.
The vote may come before city council around February.
What do you think?
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0 0 Implementing square foot regulations will not save kids. Quality staff that is vetted and well trained will!
These regulations will only serve to drive up the price and limit existing day care choices. The government should focus on licensing and background checks. If a day care is not operating well in serving the kids, the parents will protect their kids and move them out of there. That is the beauty of the market–and the fact that most parents do care about their kids. Government does not have to keep getting into every facet of our lives. They need to butt out!
City Council person Karen Cornwall is pushing this micromanagement too hard. She told the Creations of a Child owner that most people who use the service work at the site and can afford an increase. Cornwall has no idea about the costs to families. Nor does she care. Once again, government is intruding on the choices of parents in order to mandate what is “best” for our kids. When will they stop micromanaging law abiding people and go after the criminal elements and people that conduct day care operations illegally? That would be too hard–instead, they pick on parents and businesses trying to do the right thing.
Cornwall recently supported a pay raise for the Mayor stating publicly that it was because he has 8 kids to support. Her logic escaped me then and certain escapes me now. She is out to lunch and should be recalled immediately.
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0 0 KPVI reported our city released a draft of the new daycare standards:
http://kpvi.com/Global/story.asp?S=7874664
The requirements are supposed to be staff background checks, annual staff training, 35 square feet of indoor activity space per child, and paying for a city license.
They said there will be at least three more public comment meetings, and the ordinance is due for a vote by April or May.
I thought all the local daycare businesses were on board with stricter standards. One meeting was reported that Karen Cornwell asked the group if they thought a proposal was too strict, and the group actually wanted a stronger proposal.
However from this meeting it sounded like a couple major local daycare businesses are against some of the proposals. One would have to cut in half their allowed children to respect the square footage requirement.
What do you think?
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0 0 Where did the “need info on daycares” thread go? I can’t locate it.
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0 0 I believe background checks and staff training is essential for daycare, but I do not agree with needing 35 square feet per child. This does not even take into account the outdoor play areas. My daycare does an amazing job with all their children and does not feel at all overcrowded. The children love to play together, leaving much empty space. I see active healthy children. Unfortunately with this new space restriction, my perfect daycare is no longer able to accept my children. Many families will be forced to find somewhere else to send their children. I spent 2 years going from bad daycare to worse until I finally found the great institution I am at now. My children have been through so much, and now I’m forced to start over again because some person who has never even spent a day watching my daycare thinks they are overcrowded.
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0 0 Bummer!! Well, you can look at it this way. With all the new rules and regulations, wherever your children end up, will be much better with the new amount of child per sq foot restrictions, health rules, CPR certifications, etc. I think it’ll be a win-win situation for the children in the long run. And isn’t that what it’s all about….what’s best for our kids?
Just a thought…
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0 0 You ought to research other city’s daycare ordinances to see how the footage requirement compares with what IF has proposed. If you can justify other cities don’t require as much, it could be brought up as a discussion point for comparison and debate. Boise, Chubbuck and Pocatello all have ordinances you could ask about. Blackfoot was going to enact one after a death in the 1990’s but I don’t know if they ever did. I don’t know what any of their footage requirements are. I know sometimes “old” daycares are grandfathered out of some requirements in other cities, has anyone asked here if there is a grandfather clause with the new ordinance? Or is everyone expected to be fully compliant with the new laws when they pass?
You know, sometimes it takes a group of moms to come together and trade off daily babysitting to help each other out. It can’t always work this way, I know, or sometimes a daycare has to run on the hush because of the laws, yet the parents know and trust the provider. It’s a tough call all the way around sometimes. Good luck.
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0 0 Yeah but with Idaho’s harsh winters, the outdoor space does not good so they do need to count just indoor spaces.
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0 0 90% of the ordinance for IF Daycare is great and should have been done years ago. The space requirement is a disaster for parents, children and businesses.
This is another case of the government coming in and subplanting it’s judgement for that of parents. If anyone spent time attending the meetings, it would be clear that parents and business’ disagree with the space requirement.
There was much talk about IF patterning the ordinance after Ammon’s ordinance. However, Ammon specifically took out the space requirement because it would harm business’ and cause parents more money to spend on childcare.
Business’ would have to cut the number of children at their facilities. This would result in either: staff layoffs, increased fees for existing parents to keep their children going there; and possibly a shortage of child care centers for remaining children.
Many parents can’t afford additional expenses in this area. It is also probable that quality could suffer if either no new daycares opened up–forcing more parents to use underground at home day cares, or new business’ that cropped up would not be as experience in providing quality care.
It is amazing to see a few IF City Council members that brazenly are not listening to a vast majority of parents, by my count over 90% of the folks attending hearings on the matter that don’t want this ordinance with the space limitation requirement. I don’t call that representative government. I call that repressive government.
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0 0 Good point, I’ve changed my mind, they should drop the space requirement for now and pass the rest of the overdue ordinance.
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0 0 Does anyone wonder, if they continue make outrageous, repressive demands that aren’t supported by the businesses OR the parents, whether there is a hidden agenda of any sort (play Oliver Stone music here).
Maybe, just maybe, the concept of daycare is anathema to them personally, and if they legally make it harder to have a daycare or afford the ones that can stay in business, then moms will decide it’s more cost effective to stay home and mother their children, instead of whatever else they’re doing?
I’m just sayin’…
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0 0 35 square feet per child may be too idealistic. The intention seems to be to prevent kids from being stuffed in a closet. Make the square foot requirement something like fifteen or twenty square feet per child, something that would only affect the smallest 10% of Idaho Falls daycares.
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0 0 While I don’t believe in the govt sticking their noses into yet another issue where they don’t belong, I do think it was done for a reason and after all is said in done, it’s for our childrens safety and comfort. So isn’t that a good enough reason? When I first started dating my g/f and we were looking in daycares, we came across this one woman who was running a daycare out of her home, illegally I assume. She only had a very small 2 bedroom home, and she had 15 kids packed in there, ranging from 18mo to 6 y/o’s. The living room was packed with toys and some kids were sitting around the tv watching Barney and a row of high chairs were set up in the tiny dining room. I looked messy mainly because their were too many kids in this house. She used the spare bedroom as a “nap room” and it had one single bed, 2 cribs and a bunch of mats on the floor with blankets. Needless to say we didn’t take her child there! But I think these new requirements are aimed at preventing situations such as this one and personally I think it’s a great idea. The only problem is, people like this woman probably aren’t legally registered as a proper “daycare”, and so regulating places like this would be quite difficult. As far as daycares that are set up correctly and abide with all the other rules, I don’t believe they should have to change or let go of some of their clientelle in order conform to these new regularions. Perhaps prohibiting any new clients would be best and/or “grandfathering in” daycares that already have a regular client list and leave it at that.
In a situation such as this one, if enough parents got together and voiced their concerns to the city council, I believe they could prevent this change. The only problem, (as always) is getting enough parents to actually come together as a group and get up in front of the council and voice their concerns.
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0 0 sorry…..I meant to put “IT looked messy”….not I looked messy. 
I liked the site better when we had a chance to go back and “edit” our comments before they actually became live. Although it allows us to “proof-read” our comments before posting them, there are times when it doesn’t show your comments below the comment box, to be able to proofread them.
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0 0 oops lemme turn that back on…. live comment previews should appear below the “Say it!” button now.
I agree, the square foot requirement should be lowered to 20ish. If it is a dubious value at 35 square foot and it would put 50% of existing daycares out of business, just reduce the requirement to 20 foot. Don’t monkey around with grandfathering that requirement because then you’re just creating a huge barrier to future daycares, which will cause daycare prices to go up.
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0 0 That’s a good point. I guess all we can do is hope the parents rally together in front of the city council to voice their concerns. If they don’t, its reallly going to cause a mess and there will more than likely be a daycare “shortage” since I think most daycares are at capacity now as it is. (as far as the govt standards go)
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0 0 The parents you speak of have voiced their concerns. In fact at one meeting, before they even started, Councilperson Cornwall advised that they had been bombarded by numerous e-mail opposing the space requirement. After that the 60 parents in the room—which by all standards is a HUGE turnout—opposed the 35 ft. sq. provision.
Unfortunately, grandfathering is not in the cards. Their answer is to phase it in over the next few years to give business’ time to comply. That is not an acceptable answer to anyone who was at the meetings. It is apparent the city council is not listening and some seem to have the attitude that they know better than the parents.
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0 0 It is my understanding that the 35 sq ft rule is not from the City Council, but from the International Building Code, which Idaho is adopting. The City has no say in that issue. I could be wrong, but that is what I was told. Anyone have any insight on that?
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0 0 Two of One, comment #25, wow, that’s a new one I had not heard. And it would explain the why the city council wasn’t interested in budging on that requirement.
My question is, if this is true, why isn’t the city council explaining this, so that parents understand?
I repeat the call from comment #25, does anyone out there know where the square footage number came from?
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0 0 Cornwall took the 35 ft. rule from a think tank that specializes in child care advocacy issues….KPVI did a story on it and linked up the think tank.
The legislature has refused to get involved in this issue believing that it is best to let localities deal with these issues. I will try to find the link for you.
It is pretty clear, and Cornwall admits that she gets her ideas from these enlightened thinkers….too bad she can’t listen to parents and local voters that don’t want her turning Idaho into what is acceptable in Connecticut or Massachusetts. Cornwall made a lovely statement that because everyone else is doing this we (the City) should too. Since when did we become a bunch of Lemmings headed for a cliff?
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0 0 I am still trying to find a copy of the study that Cornwall quoted as one of her reasons for trying to implement this space regulation.
I came across this little article from Channel 8 from November 2007. This article is significant because it points out that Cornwall noted if some child care’s had to terminate services to parents and kids that parents could take them to the YMCA instead.
Now I understand why the YMCA director showed up at one of the last meetings to voice support for this ordinance…and why Cornwall is pushing it so hard. Cornwall is involved in United Way Board’s that are tied to YMCA by giving them funding and support in the community. It would be interesting to see if Cornwall serves on the YMCA Board….or if she received any campaign contributions from the YMCA, it’s management, employees, etc. There is definitely a tie there of some sort. Me thinks this deal is rotten….for all the talk about what is in the best interest of the children, this seems to be more about what is in the best financial interests of the YMCA and Karen Cornwall’s re-election fund.
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0 0 Thanks, Mike, for the link. Here’s what I see in that story:
1. “Building codes require children play in a facility designed to accommodate one child per every 20 square feet.”
2. “She says Idaho is the only state without licensing, and out of all fifty in our nation, each state requires at least 35 sq. feet per child.”
3. “Should plans go through, an alternative for parents may be the Idaho Falls YMCA. The organization offers scholarship programs for those that can’t afford day care services.”
So. Our building codes are not higher as was commented before. And, it appears the number is from all 50 states. (Just because a think tank provides the data does not mean it’s false. I’m curious, has anyone checked this out separately to see what other states require?)
Plus the last quote doesn’t appear to be a quote from Karen, it was a statement from the reporter, concerning the scholarship program for those parents who might not be able to afford daycare costs if they escalate as a result of this regulation. I don’t know if other daycares in town offer scholarships for those families who are in a financial bind. YMCA is non profit and can do that.
It sounds like the reporter was trying to present an alternative as a community service component to this story.
The thing everyone can agree on is that it seems there are a number of parents who have been protesting this proposal.
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0 0 Did I read last week that the city dropped the minimum space requirement?
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0 0 Yes, Cornwall dropped the space requirement….shows how much research she did on this matter. This was brought to her attention in meetings….however, she ignored it. Her basic premise was that the 35 sq. ft. requirement should apply to places where kids play all the time. The existing fire code requires 35 ft. but includes all existing space (closets, bathrooms, waiting rooms, etc) not just play space. That is why current businesses can operate with the current limitations in place. During meetings, Cornwall kept pushing the 35 ft.. She obviously has seen the writing on the wall that people don’t support her version. She is trying to spin it away from a defeat for her agenda….but the fact is she took a good idea and tryed to exercise government over reach that would have put kids out of daycare, parents out of more money, and people out of business.
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0 0 I agree that it appears she didn’t do her research well enough. It seems that we already have the international fire code space limits of 35′ per child.
So I’m curious if that particular way of factoring the space is what the other states use, too?
If not, if they use the factoring that she was trying to use, then I could have supported this IF she truly grandfathered the existing daycares (but they’d have to register to obtain the exemption, no fair showing up in 5 years and say you’ve been doing this all along).
From what Mike was saying, they wouldn’t grandfather the existing daycares, they’d only give them a set period of time in which to comply. Since this issue isn’t an urgent health regulation, I disagree with forcing existing daycares to change their current operations.
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0 0 I operated a licensed child care facility in calif. and there was no min sqaure footage per child that I was aware of at any time. Our laws protect child care facilities such that they can operate in normal residential areas without discrimination, for example mine was a rental and the property owner could not restrict me from operating. My entire square footage (not counting the exterior playspaces) was approx 800-900 sf and I was licensed for up to 8.
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0 0 Re comment #20, CR67 this sounds totally illegal at least in Calif. it is illegal to operate an unlicensed child care facility and you can report such an operation to the Community Care Licensing Division of the Department of Social Services. They will go out to inspect and determine whether an unlicensed operation is in fact in existance. I would definitely follow up on reporting the business you describe.
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0 0 One of the funky things I noticed here was that there are operators who can have up to x amount of children, who actually have many more than that.
The kicker was, up to x amount “all at the same time”.
So as long as they didn’t exceed that amount all at once, they were okay to have as many children as they wanted to care for.
Seemed reasonable to me.
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0 0 Re daycare inspections, again, speaking from Calif. experience, daycare inspectors are highly specialised, highly trained government employees. Daycare inspections are exceedingly thorough, inspectors have access to confidential law enforcement records, confidential client information, they act to enforce the laws of the State, and I think the idea of volunteer daycare inspectors is ridiculous.
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0 0 Nemesis, I was able to have up to 8 if no more than 2 were under 2, or 6 with no more than 3 under 2. My total client base was avg. around 20 at any given time, often 12 in a day but with am, mid-day, and after school kids, the age ratios changed as the clients came and left and hence my numbers changed through the day.
I was exceedingly compliant, to the extent that I had “playdates” outside of the facility for my own kids at any time after school that I might be over, only to learn years into it that other providers in my area routinely violated their capacities.
A serious problem in Calif is the shortage of funds for inspections, barring a known problem I believe unannounced visits were required every THREE years. In fact, it was the regulation of the business in part which led me to doing child care instead of placing my kids in child care, for example the criminal clearance process is just that, and in my mind the absence of a conviction does not certify the safety of any given provider….
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0 0 Another point regarding volunteer inspectors would be the liability to the licensing agency for their performance.
What happens when one screws up?
What happens when one turns out to be a pervert? An ex-spouse without right of visitation who inspects their own child’s facility? Are custodial orders going to be part of the clearance process for volunteers?
What happens when one is just incompetant and doesn’t note relevant hazards? Or when one acts with discrimination in regards to a provider and the provider sues?
Are there any other such programs to anyone’s knowledge?
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0 0 Crystal, you make some good points about why a volunteer inspection might not be a good idea.
You also mention why depending upon a paid professional inspection (to know that your kids are potentially safe, because the place gets inspected regularly) is also probably not a good idea.
So what would be the answer? If they can’t/won’t/don’t have inspections as needed legally, wouldn’t the volunteer system be better than none?
Could your concerns be alleviated with some careful screening of the volunteers, and multiple assessments of the daycares?
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0 0 Audit Finds Sex Offenders At CA Child Care Homes
CBS 5 CrimeWatch
SACRAMENTO (AP) ? The state social services agency on Wednesday was moving to shut down nine homes used for child daycare and foster care after an audit found registered sex offenders living there in violation of state law.
The revelation came after state auditors compared the addresses of 75,000 licensed facilities, including foster family homes and daycare centers, with the state’s database of registered sex offenders.
California Department of Social Services Director John Wagner said the audit found that the addresses of 49 sex offenders matched those of 46 child care facilities.
The department was able to confirm nine of the cases during inspections of all 46 facilities that were completed Monday, Wagner said.
Three license suspensions already are in effect—two in Los Angeles and one in San Bernardino. Two foster children were removed by local authorities in one of the cases, Wagner said.
The department would not immediately give details on the other six pending suspensions.
“It goes without saying, anyone convicted of a sex offense has no business being anywhere near a licensed facility for children,” Wagner said. “Protecting children in our licensed facilities is our highest priority.”
The Bureau of State Audits asked for the department’s database of licensed facilities in November, but the social services agency did not learn of the matches with sex offenders until last week, Wagner said. The audit is due for release on Tuesday.
Of the 46 address matches, 25 were in Los Angeles, eight in the Central Valley, seven in the San Francisco Bay area, four in San Diego, and one each in San Bernardino and Sacramento.
In most cases, the department’s inspectors could not verify that a sex offender was living at the address or found that the offender was there but children were not present.
It is a violation of state law for daycare and foster care licensees not to report the presence of a registered sex offender, Wagner said.
The Department of Social Services needs that information to conduct background checks on the license holder and others living at the home or child care center. Had the department discovered a resident was a sex offender, the license would have been denied or suspended, he said.
In the three cases in which licenses were suspended this week, one offender had been convicted of sexual battery while the other two had been convicted of oral copulation with a minor, said Larry Bolton, the department’s chief lawyer.
Investigators are interviewing the children who had contact in each of the homes or day care centers.
“We haven’t finished the interviews, but no indication yet” that any child was actually abused, Bolton said.
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0 0 Okeydokey, so is Idaho Falls checking licensed daycare locations, owners, employees, and neighbors against the registered sex offender database?
Might be a good idea…
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0 0 Yes, good idea, but any smart daycare operator would have ran potential employees against the public state database already. You can’t plead ignorance as an operator with stuff like this. Neighbors? Interesting. Some households are so transient, I hope the daycare owners remain alert to their neighbor status as well.
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0 0 I would have thought all those daycare owners were smart enough to check their local sex offender database, but apparently not. It seems like a simple but easily overlooked thing, I hope Idaho Falls checks for daycares or has some way to force the daycare operators to check this out for themselves.
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0 0 Fantastic article.I found the article very interesting.But any smart daycare operator would have ran potential employees against the public state database already.
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0 0 There used to be another thread related to this topic entitled “need info on local daycares” or something like that - it had a lot of comments and discussion. Anyone? - Joe? - know what happened to that discussion thread??
re: comment #45 - nice cut and paste of my original comment! Weird.
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0 0 Nope. It was a discussion about different daycares, who liked what, who didn’t like others and why, all kinds of good info. ?????
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0 0 Did you try doing a search by keyword in the uppermost search box? That’s what I did, and it pulled up a list of topics. Joe (s)?
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0 0 Nope - can’t find it anywhere. Do any of the old-timers remember the daycare thread? Everyone discussed the different daycares in town, pros and cons, who taught what, who didn’t like what, etc.? Someone has to recall, it was a huge, popular thread for awhile! It ran through almost all of 2007. Many comments, thoughts on daycare and being at home, all kinds of good info. It’s disappeared into thin air it seems.
Here’s my conspiracy theory - maybe a daycare listed didn’t like negative comments and they threatened to take over the site! LOL. Naw, but I hope someone can find it.
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0 0 Weird. Found the old link in google. It now links to the daycare inspections thread which is NOT the same. This was an entirely different discussion. I suppose if it’s gone forever I can write an article to get it started again, but what a loss of discussion it will be.
http://idahofallz.com/2006/12/14/need-idaho-falls-daycare-information/
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0 0 the link says it has been removed……..I wonder if Joe weeded out all the less-popular threads???
what info did you need from it??
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0 0 I wanted to continue the discussion, as well as send it to new moms I know who have moved to the area who are looking for daycare info. Believe me, it
WAS popular, one of the highest commented articles on the top 20 list for awhile if memory serves. Strange it’s gone.
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0 0 galpalguy and reader,
It does look like the article and all its comments were removed from the website. This must have happened while the old Joe Vandal running the site because I have never removed any articles.
I do have a few tricks up my sleeves when it comes to getting old data, and I was able to pull up the article and its comments.
I have reposted it at the same web location as above.
Enjoy!
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It seems stronger daycare standards and inspections are needed in Idaho Falls, given the comments in our other thread when a newcomer asked about Idaho Falls daycares:
http://idahofallz.com/2006/12/14/need-idaho-falls-daycare-information/