Do You Want a 13-14 Story Marriott Residence Inn Hotel/Condo at Taylor’s Crossing?

What a great iea you had, dnix! We’ll see if regionally people respond.

Just an FYI – I’ve written my post. As one person asked, he couldn’t see where to write anything.

Once again, there currently is NO blog about the Idaho Falls Residence Inn, so you have to post your thoughts under a different day’s subject.

As an alert, one is cautioned about two things when posting on that site, besides the usual stuff.

1. Comments are NOT posted immediately. Sometimes it may take days. (But don’t give up).

2. If those who review comments believe specific issues can be handled better by a different depatment at Marriott, your comments will be re-directed there.

You also can write to: feedback@Marriott.Com.

I encouage those of you who take the time to write about this to ask Mr. Marriott to address the 13 story Residence Inn, in Idaho Falls, as a theme for an upcoming blog.

Great comment everyone. Thanks. Many of you touched on other things I wanted to say, but I’m glad you wrote them so others could think about this from many perspectives.

Jeremy- It’s been my experience that sometimes it takes the “large mega-projects” to get small businesses going. For example, we’ve talked in this format, about a person owning Jet Ski/Water Sports Company that rents water toys to guests at hotels like the Residence Inn. And of course a nice coffee shop, yogurt store, etc. would be natural businesses.

Idaho Falls could even be a little bit like Ft. Lauderdale if Water Taxis were started, during the appropriate weather. A person’s imagination is the limit of what businesses and services might be built.

Joe- I think you and I have talked about this a few times. Just think, maybe there could be something quite tall for Christmas if it were 13 floors! I agree about why bother announcing (and showing the drawings) to the community, of this 13 story tower your company has ageed to build, if the company isn’t going to hold out for the 13 story towers?

I agree McNeil should just go for it. And I must admit I don’t know how many floors each local hotel has (especially the older ones) so I respectfully defer to Joe about what is currntly the tallest.

Chrisr671- I absolutely agree with your thoughts. Actually, it was a chat you were participating in recently that finally made me right this.

What I recall is you essentially said, besides going out to dinner and movie, there wasn’t much to do around here, unless one really liked outdoor activities.

I’m not sure I totally agree with you, but it depends on what interests people have, work schedules etc. I totally appreciate your point-of-view and think it is valid.

From my perspective, following through and building this 13 story beauty would help jump start further development/redevelopment in downtown I.F. I know some are worried that T.C. and Ball Ventures buildings south of Pancheri will create a ghost town downtown. Maybe it will, but maybe new types of businesses need to be downtown. After all, five years ago, would you have thought Rob Bishop could build “Destinations” where and how he did?

I think the area is large enough for this tower hotel/condos. I was stuck in a traffic jam today in an area I don’t usually travel and I found myself saying this was just like living in XXS (another, larger states). The traffic was as dense.

There could be so many small businesses and spin offs from this one hotel/condo (service businesses such as dry cleaners, car rentals, and day care etc. along with many other businesses commonly found around large hotels.

And a venue for concerts and other entertainment not only brings more guests to town (who need to sleep and eat somewhere), but creates other business/work opportunities as well. Jeremey would probably know the most details about the whole promoting experience far better than I. He probably know how many locals it takes to put on a concert.

I can see how development of sports/entertainment facilities, (and other activities) residents may want at Sandy Downs could easly compliment a convention center/arena downtown. It could be fun to spend one day at one facility and the next day at the other, doing totally different actvities.

Also, new or expanded entertainment facilities could serve food ONLY from local mom and pop restaurants and/or homemade food not sold elsewhere. Jobs in construction,maintenance, light, sound etc. would all be needed.

However, more than just the visable jobs, another positive economic benefit is one that most people may not think of: If residents remain in town and spend their disposable income attending activitie/entertainment here, how much more money is being reinvested in our local economy?

If any of you hear anything from the Marriott Corporation, please post something here to let the rest of us know. I will do the same.

Also, please encouage your family and friends (and even peope at work) to join us in this effort.

Thank you for your help with this.

No biggie Joe. I’ve learned quite a bit of new information after I wrote this article.

Most people know the Walker Brothers, DBA as McNeil Developments, is deveoloping property in Provo and near St. George, UT. Some might be interested to know how large the Hurrican (St. George) development is. The name, I believe, is “The Ledge.”

Some say it is 2,300 housing units, the Daily Herald has gone as high as 40,000 new housing units. Another media source in UT has said 500 acres. Who knows exactly how big the McNeil Development project is in Hurricane, except McNeil.

As I indicated above, I’ve learned some other things that I want to confirm before I write. The presence of McNeil Developments building this huge development outside of St.George is easy to find with a general search engine.

I think many of us would be interested to have someone from McNeil Development write a guest article here (or even answer questions) about their commitment to finishing all they originally planned for Taylor’s Crossing vs. working more on other developments.

As a private business, I can understand McNeil Developments’ need to move quickly on southern UT property, as Californians buy land and move to UT, as the Las Vegas residents too.

It just makes me wonder how TC fits into McNeil’s overall business portfolio, or if portions of the original TC might be sold (or sub-leased) to another company or develop?

I’m interested in what any of you think.

I would LOVE to see a highrise in Idaho Falls.

1. Idaho Falls needs a new tallest. It would help tremendously with downtown renovation.

2. The river is beautiful. Many visitors want to come back to visit the “town with so much potential”.

3. It could only help. With it’s height, it would attract many people to it. Being only a few feet short of the water tower, which can been seen for miles.

4. If there is one tall building, most people would choose the tall building over a 6-7 story hotel. It would stand out more than say, Shilo Inn, Ameritel, or Red Lion.

A very reliable source says the equipment by Smitty’s is to begin construction of the Marriott Residence Inn. This source declined to say how many towers.

Since promises of displaying “renderings” were made, I’m concerned that Marrott wouldn’t allow all 13 stories. We’ve already seen the design of the 13-story hotel/condo building. What would be new to see, except less floors?

On one hand it is good that they are FINALLY going to get moving on that construction; on the other hand, I groan thinking such prime real estate used for one or two 6-7 story buldings essentially equal in heighth to the Red Lion
Inn.

If Marriott has limited this building to no more than 7 floors, I anticipate some new brand name hotels being developed elsewhere. Investors who want to build more rooms in Idaho Falls/Ammon are facing a rather unique situation, or at least not one I’ve heard of previously: the corporations, such as Marriott and Hilton, are telling developers how many rooms they will allow to be built in the area.

I don’t know if the corporations are restricting what some developers want to do because of simultaneous development of other hotels by different developers, or other reasons. Don’t be surprised to see some other brand name hotel chains build close to the river.

With the CAES Center to the north and what sounds like everything one will need being developed between Pancheri and Sunnyside, I don’t think it is unreasonable to anticipate another tallest hotel to be built in one of those locations.

I hope I’m wrong and we see a beautful new 13 story Marriott Resience Inn/Condo off of Broadway in Taylor’s Crossing. But, I won’t be surprised if McNeil is prohibited from building more than 7 stories.

The last I had heard from the folks at McNeil was the hotel will be 6 stories, but they are planning a second larger building, to the south, that would be taller, possibly 13 floors. I asked them point blank after reading this blog, but I still never got a definite plan. I don’t know if they actually have it firmed up yet.

Did anybody see the bit on the news last night with the Mayor and city council disussing the need to find land for a new industrial park? They were discussing all of the new homes and tremendous growth that Idaho Falls has experienced the past couple of years, but were worried because we currently have more housing then we’ve got industry/quality jobs. They’re trying to figure out where to find the land to bring in more business and industry, without putting it in the middle of a residential area. They stated that this was crucial to the economy of our city. Claiming we’re a little “top heavy” right now with all the new housing developments going up and feel we need an immediate plan as far as industry and quality jobs go, in order to balance everything out.

scoobysnax,

Thanks for your post. Do you remember what channel you saw that on? I’d love to read what the Mayor said, or see the video.

I believe the subject of industrial parks fits in this category very well for more than one reason. First, many people don’t realize that McNeil Development is also developing an industrial park.

Secondly, it sounds to me like the Mayor is aware of potential companies who may be visiting the area to see what eastern ID may offer them. Perhaps 1 or more companies has alreay committed based on getting a property annexed into the city as an industrial park. I have no specific knowledge of this, but it seem a bit unusual for the Mayor to be raising thiw issue when, to the best of my knowledge, he hasn’t focused on industrial parks previously.

I do like his forward thinking.

For example, for the new proposed PD/FD replacement headquarters, he has already said he wants it boned by Feb. 2008. I like him thinking “big” about preserving land for industrial growth given other known, but not yet announced, developmenets.

I believe it is important now, perhaps more than ever before, with CAES being built and hopefully IOGEN coming our way as well, to have land and some shelled in buildings for speedy industrial growth to support or compliment CAES, INL and hopefully IOGEN and other companies.

Additionally, with the greatly increased budget the DOE recently received from Congress, who knows what expansion of current missions may be expanded significantly at INL. Or, perhaps totally new missions may be added to the lab requiring new sub-contractors for local source of certain materials used by INL.

Ultimately, I can see more spin-off companies and new businesses that support INL, CAES or others in their work.

Consequently, the fact the Mayor is a making industrial parks such a high priority on his agenda may mean we will be hearing some annoucements this year. For example, whatever happened to the business that was looking at the area and to employee 700 people? Did that company pass on the I.F./Ammon area, or do they have needs that can only be met in an indutrial park?

As rapidly as new subdivisions and annexations are occuring, I believe this is a valid and timely point for the Mayor to address currently.

All that being said, if one reviews some of the mega real estate websites for the Idaho Falls area, land is offered at most of the exits south of Broadway. However, I don’t recall any more land available off of the Sunnyside exit – and certainly not for industrial parks.

It is clear that the current farm land is zoned for 1M -Manuacturing and light industrial at the previously mentioned and other exits. The general area of Highway 20 and St. Leon to Iona, and the area around N. Boulevard are all available to be developed into Industrial Parks.

Additionally, a few existing buildings, along with a couple of remaining spots in the McNeil Industrial Park are available.

I believe a lot of the available land I’ve mentioned needs to be annexed into the city, prior to some new or expanding businesses to locate in an industrial park. Annexation takes months to complete all of the various stages. Since time is money, there is no time to waste, if the city wants to attract more businesses with higher paying jobs, to the area.

Recently, I read that a Bend, OR restaurant (Chinese, I believe) was closing in Bend and moving to Idaho Falls. Bend has become far too expensive for many established businesses to be profitable, since many are exiting CA and moving north to that area.

A mom and pop restaurant wouldn’t be my first thought of what type of businessess Grow Idaho Falls is working with to relocating to Idaho Falls. However, the fact that these restaurant owners knew about Idaho Falls strongly suggests to me that the Bend, OR businesses know Idaho Falls has the amenities, workforce and the space to grow their businesses afforadably, and companies are willing to relocate.

The outlet mall is suppose to break dirt “soon,” as the developers say. Along with that will be a convenience store and restaurant. The area is very large, so I’m positive more stores will go in there.

The outlet mall is just the anchor. When they post more about it, I’ll add the URL here.

Joe, You and I have talked about the I.F. Skyline and how much could be done at Christmas etc. Are you not as frustrated with waiting on this as the rest of us?

I guess the good side of all of this, is Idaho Falls is going to end up with more hotels than some probably planned on even 18 months. But, it feels a little like “Spin the Bottle” to know what will go where.

I have no doubt that all I’ve talked with have given me their most accurate information to date. My point was, that is how many times the plans have changed – the information looks conflicting.

The other good news, is despite what other hotels are built, it sounds like the Walker Brothers won the argument about keeping the 13 story towers, regardless of where they are built. That will help guide future skyline growth in I.F., INHO.

Toad,

That is the first I’ve heard of anything 21 stories. Do you know if it was for Taylor’s Crossing on the River, or a closely-affiliated Idaho Falls projected that perhaps hasn’t been announced? Or, could this project be for one of their other two major projects right now

The Walker Brothers are building a mixed use area in N. Provo. And, they have purchased land to develop thousands of homes near Hurricane, UT (north of St. George and close to Zions National Park). I HOPE the work if for I.F. as rumor has been around for about a year that a high-end hotel was headed our way. Everyone agrees it would be at least ****.

If it were a Marriott, it would be a full Marriott hotel, or even one of their higher end brands. There is also a possibility of a different hotel chain as another name is being mentioned often concerning Idaho Falls. It makes me wonder how much got re-designed, re-calculatd or whatever after Iogen and GNEP were announed.

Also, if the Walker Brothers finally sold Marriott on the idea of Idaho Falls area residents wanting towers downtown, this may well be a condo unit. And perhaps the ground they were going to use for condos may have been sold/leased or otherwise being developed by someone else allowing a cash flow to the Walkers for 21 stories. Then again, maybe it’s just one of those things that evolved – but it sure seems like there is NO talk about the condos at TC currently.

Thanks for the info! PLEASE update us if you hear more. Also, if you know anything about Snake River Landing, please share what you know.

The last drawings and descriptions sound as if SRL is being designed to be more upscale than T.C. currently is! And, consistantly, either a smaller convention center, including an arena for concernts and other community actitivies, or a large retailer that has started to build some stores int he west, is rumored to be in that area.

It’s an exicting year. I ust hope there is enough steel and concrete for all the projects.

Thanks again for the info!

I believe Holt can hold about 12,000 for football (not that ISU football will ever draw that many) not sure how many for concerts.

I agree with X man. The concerts I’ve attended at Holt Arena have been the most out-of-control events I’ve seen.

I’ve attended concerts in many venues and smelled some of the familiar “weed” that some like to bring etc. But, I’ve never witnessed such rude audiences or the enforcement of rules like at Holt Arena.

I remember one concert where those in the front section threw tomatoes and other fruit and vegetables at the singer. Wow, that speaks volumes to the sophistication of what Holt Arena wants to project.

No one is saying that there will be any public funding, IF, an arena type setting is built. So whatever the developer wants will be what he/they get.

But, maybe at some point, the residents of Bonneville County should address the issue of funding an events center where activities such as concerts and other athletic events can occur.

I don’t think we can depend on private developers, who have very specific reasons to build what they’ve had designed, to build an arena to attract more concerts/ athletic competition and other activies. I think we can let them know what we’d like, but until WE finance it, I wouldn’t plan on anything specific (although I’d like to).

I agree with both.

I can see the allure of larger clubs, but those are private business ventures.

I have all my life wished for a larger venue right around Idaho Falls, holding about 10-15,000 people. This would be a huge venture, possibly requiring city funding (which then gets all political).

What are the biggest venues in SE Idaho?

How many people do the following hold:

Holt Arena?
Shilo Convention Center?
McDermott/Melaleuca Field?
High school football stadiums?
Civic Auditorium?

Jim does make a good point, though, IMHO. What existing buildings do we have that could be utilized differently to provide additional entertainment for residents?

The former Paramount Theatre is now the Coloniel Theatre. What about the Rio on Broadway? Does anyone know if Rob Bishop is going to re-develop that as well? I know at one point he was talking about developing a 4-5 star restaurant by Destinations Inn.

BTW – has anyone stayed at the Destinations Inn? If so, how would you compare it to say either the Black Swan or the Anniversary Inn?

I must have watched a different Channel 6 in Idaho Falls last night because they didn’t mention anything about a 13 story building. Marriott yes, 13 story no. Interesting reading different posts. Curious where the 21 story building came from. It belongs in the beautiful IF skyline, since the next tallest building is what, 4 stories (besides red lion). Watch the replay of the news and let me know where 13 stories came from. I would like to read facts not fiction.

anon- why the angst?13 21 6 whatever something is happening’.

Exactly alcyone! Things are happening so who cares? I don’t understand why everyone says call the walkers and mcneil to find out the “guarded information”. Who cares, development is happening.

Anonymous,

Yes, Sizzler had been discussed for Taylor’s Crossing. However, I don’t know if it is still an option with Ruby River being built.

Ruby River is far more upscale than Sizzler, so perhaps both would be busy. But, usually planners don’t put 2 steak houses that close together (at least that I’ve seen).

In “Shoptalk” in today’s paper it said that construction was beginning on a new 75,000 square foot building at Taylor Crossing. It said they have a commitment from Bajio Grill and Restaurant, and they are negotiating with a health spa/plastic surgery type business. Is this the 13-story building they are talking about or just more of the office space type buildings like the ones there?

Sorry I didn’t notice your post a little sooner Jeremy, yes Great White put on an awesome show. I especially remember a couple of things, the lead singer Jack Russell said that his father had lived in Idaho Falls at one time. And I bought one of those concert tour T-shirts that actually has a list of the shows printed on the back, and includes Idaho Falls, Idaho. Not too many concert T-shirts say Idaho Falls on them.

DNIX-

When you say you weren’t too overwhelmed at the first rendering of the MRI/Condo project, are you talking about what was initially released last June?

Yes, folks, it will soon be close to 11 months when the drawing of the proposed MRI/Condo project was displayed in the Post Register and elsewhere.

Or, DNIX, are referring to a different design – the endless changes we’ve heard about the lasst 6-8 months?

For those of you have read DNIX0112’s latest article, “An Outside View of Idaho Falls,” you may find this little tidbit interesting.

If you read the Idaho Business I.Q. article and understood why businesses like to expand to more than one area in the state, then you may find this recent announcement interesting in light of that information.

Marriott has announced a 10 story hotel for Boise. Nowhere in the announcement I read could I find if this would be a full service Marriott, or a Marriott Residence Inn.

However, I thought it was interesting that Marriott is making their corporate move into ID currently.

I propose for those who will miss the “historic part of Idaho Falls” AKA, the crumbling Army Surplus Bldg., that a few rooms in the new hotel be decoratre with that theme.

Maybe some photos of “old Idaho Falls” and even pieces of furniture or other accessories in the room that remind guests of what was torn down for the 13 story hotel/condo bldg.

Perhaps residents who buy a condo can have an option on some of the crumbling old Army Surplus Store as part of their new home. While it’s certainly nothing I would want, it may be a selling point for some.

This creates a win/win situation for all.

That would be awesome.

If they do dedicate the entire 13 story tower to residential condos, I hope they reserve the first floor or two for retail spaces.

Mixed use makes it stronger.

Interesting developments. I believe it was, NuSaid, here who basically said the same thing.

I do think the T.C. folks could have made this clearer from the start.

A five story Marriott Residence Inn will be nice. This certainly will not be the largest hotel in town. Nonetheless, having another hotel and especially a 13 story tower of condos is great!

However, I still wonder about where Marriott wants all of their rooms, in the region. We know they are building a hotel in Pocatello. The question becomes, are they already working on a third hotel for Idaho Falls or not?

And as one who has stayed at many, many Marriotts throughout the U.S., I do hope they develop some of their different brand names. The Marriott Residence Inn (MRI) was a good pick for T.C., given the Extended Stay atmosphere. It accomodates families traveling to YNP, Jackson etc. on vacations and other area acitivities. It allows occupants to have their own cooking facilities and lodging accomodations much more like home than a very formal hotel.

Likewise, I see a MRI a good call when it comes to employees working for several months at INL or with affiliated businesses who may not live in Idaho Falls. Whether or not they move to the city, an extended stay at a local hotel allows this type of guest an opportunity to spend time working at a local business while deciding if this is this move is right for him/her.

Other local businesses have needs for temporary, but extended employees. The Parkwood Apt/Condo Development, and maybe one or two buildings, were the few in town that could accomodate anyone working in the area for a short period of time. Locums positions or similar jobs have often left those working those positions with limited choices, especially during the peak of vacations to YNP etc.

I know Ball Ventures will build a similar concept hotel, with the Candlewood. But, I hope in SRL or by University Place, that another full-service hotel, like the Shilo with an inhouse restaurant, bar and room for entertainment is in the planning for the not too distant future.

Thirteen stories of condos deserves its own article. Wow, do you think McNeil will still build the rowhouses etc.?

Good for the Walker Brothers and McNeil Development!

That is one thing this town needs desperately. I decent seafood restuarant! After spending most of my life in S.Florida I guess I just took for granted the incredible seafood restaraunts down there. Aside from the Sandpiper and The Cellar, both of which serve Salmon, trout and a couple of shrimp or lobster dishes (all of which were previously frozen), there just isn’t any place in this town to get some really good “fresh” seafood.
It would be nice if the new Marriott took this into consideration for one of their restuarant ideas.

Well, I don’t know too much about seafood restaurants, but I do know that a Red Lobster will come to IF and I am almost for sure on that one. (I just haven’t gotten confirmation)

My picks for what future restaurants I would like to see; Cracker Barrell and Macaroni Grill.

It wouldn’t be difficult for a local seafood rest to fly in fresh seafood from either Seattle or San Fransisco. Sure the cost would be passed on to the customer, but it wouldn’t be that bad and it would be more upscale than say Red Lobster. Personally, I don’t consider Red Lobster “good seafood”, but thats just me.

I recall a place in Arkansas that I used to frequent when I went to visit my parents. Cajun’s Wharf in Little Rock and I know they flew in fresh seafood from the gulf 3-4 times a week. Their entree’s averaged 20-40 bucks, but it was well worth it.

I’ve never heard of Joes Crab Shack or McGraths so I can’t comment on those places.
(gimmie “Joe’s Stone Crab” anyday though!) But we do need a restaraunt here that offers something other than trout.

Yeah, I wish I could afford to open up my own seafood rest….that’d be nice. I just don’t like the hours you have to put in to run a restaruant. It takes a lot of hard work and long hours.

This is interesting – all the posts. There are a lot of web sites about Idaho Falls where people post on different parts.

There appear to be some very well-connected or well informed who have posted here.

An employee told me about this site. After I saw that Channel 8 piece of blowing up that old building, I thought I’d read more about the Marriott. Probably, the collection of posts here is the most comprehensive of all I’ve found. Nice work to those who freely contributed their time, talents and knowledge.

I read elsewhere today that a local resident, involved in large construction projects, has been very impressed with the speed that Snake River Landing (SRL) is moving. Just as a brief reminder, this is just Phase I of SRL’s plans.

I, for one, sure hope a bigger convention center is in the plans when all the Phases are finished.

But, I’m discouraged today when I look back over this article. Excellent contributions by many people here – that isn’t my disappointment. Rather, where is the ACTION from McNeil?

What have we seen change even in the last few weeks? While I’ve been told a few things, I really don’t know what is holding up TC this time.

I do think it is new and kind of an interesting idea to think of a 13 story CONDO building and a 5-6 story Marriott Residence Inn. While we often focus on commercial development, instead of single home, what changes or trends might McNeil have reviewed prior to starting construction of a 13 story building? Why is it now a 13 story condo building on the river?

As I’ve thought about it more, sure it’s great to give tourist beautiful scenery when they stay locally. However, shouldn’t locals committed to improving the local economy who want to live in a 13 story condo building be given the preference?

I’ve had to rethink how I view the latest news. Honestly, I think it’s the best use of the space. Build a smaller hotel, as others are already rumored. But, build the tallest building with the best views for residents.

It is a change in mentality a change in thinking. By why shouldn’t people who want condo living by the river not have it? If they can afford it and the area meets their needs, go for it.

IMHO, if you think about it, we didn’t really lose a 13 story hotel, as it was a mixed development of hotel/condo. Rather, we gained 13 solid floors of condos and at least 5 solid floors of hotel in a building close to the condos. My math say that yields 18 floors.

Aren’t contractors, local building suppliers, and ultimately those who live and work in the area better off by having the addition of five additional stories, regardless if they are next door or ontop of the condos? I can see reasons why condo owners wouldn’t want a hotel as part of their building.

If anything, from IMHO, this only reflects the growth in Idaho Falls and the belief this will continue. After all, I.F. is the 48th fastest growing city in the U.S. No one thinks that pattern will change.

I was happy to see this article highlighted today as it was published five months ago. A lot has happened in five months, and some things still haven’t.

At the time of this post, I’m not aware of any dirt having been dug, or a blast bringing down the old Army Supply Store on Broadway to prepare for what will now be a 13 story condo medium tower and a 5-6 store, separate building housing the Marriott Residence Inn.

Snake River Landing has completed the exterior of Building “R” and is now leasing space. Renaissance has started the next building, Ruby River Restaurant with Starbucks to follow. Some have mentioned what businesses they have been told will be located in the mall close to Ruby River.

Sunnysides Crossroads Regional Shopping Center has now annexed and gotten the appropriate zoning changes. The Venture Group backing this project is now leasing space in the first phase of the outlet malls.

Other projects are happening around the city. Some we know more about than others.

I do understand there are reasons construction can’t start on time. At this point, the Marriott Residence Inn was announced one year ago (June, 2006) and what progress have we seen?

It was nice of Mr. Lorin Walker to drop by last night and let us know in days McNeil will be releasing information about a dynamic restaurant they have secured for Taylor’s Crossing. Good for McNeil and T.C.

But, how about telling us why we’ve had not information about the year long delay, and ultimately a totally different design and amount of flowers devote to the Marriott Residence Inn and the medium -sized condo tower?

I’m truly happy and appreciative of all the Walker Brothers have done to start to get people interested in downtown Idaho Falls. Those of you who read the Idaho Business I.Q. magazine about Idaho Falls know what neutral outsiders are saying regarding the revitalization of downtown, anchored by TC and SRL. We owe much to the Walker Brothers and I would like to thank them for getting the ball rolling and planning for the future growth.

Given all of the other projects currently being built, I think it is time to write a new article and focus on Snake River Landing, Sunnyside Crossroads Regional Shopping Center and other developments. I sincerely hope whatever obstacles McNeil has faced in getting the 13 medium tower building built, as well as the Marriott Residence Inn built, are resolved so work can commence.

But, I can no longer just focus on T.C., when so many other developments are happening and coming in on time.

Rob Bishop is suppose to announce next month about his Destinations Inn expansion and the restaurant he planned to go next door to it.

This last week, we’ve seen a high tech company relocate from Washington, D.C. to Idaho Falls. I doubt relocations like that could happen without the talent pool of engineers INL and spin off companys have trained, and the appropriate infrastructure of office space and other facilities needed by companies immediately available.

We’ve also seen 200 jobs added at a local call center this week. The client is a Fortune 500 company. There is reason to believe growth will occur from this contract to the point of needing additional space to run the Idaho Falls Call Center seamlessly.

Growth is not going to stop, when Idaho Falls has been ranked as high as it has on various business indicator scales and indexes.

Now we see people asking on various website, “What kind of a job can I get in Idaho Falls when I move,” instead of saying, ” I have a job in Idaho Falls and will be moving there. Can someone please give me information about the schools etc.?”

Much has changed in a year and even the last five months. Yet, there is no sign of a Marriott Residence Inn (MRI).

I wrote this article originally because I was frustrated and had been told some specific information about some of the obstacles T.C. was facing building the MRI. I could still be frustrated with the lack of progress, but instead I’ve learned broaden my attention as there are so many of the other new developments that are being built on schedule.

All I’ve ever wanted is an explanation of what was causing this long of a delay. Have we ever received one?

How do you feel, one year after the Marriott Residence Inn was announced? How do you feel five months after I wrote this article about the progress on this hotel and condos?

It’s good to see the original article again and think how far some things have come and remember how other developments haven’t. I hope in the next five months that changes drastically.

Idajo,

Thanks for your post. I would say don’t give up on Trader Joes. Historically, they have only located in much larger cities. However, I would strongly encourage you to read the article posted by DNIX 0112 (from Idaho Business I.Q.). Part of that discussion talks how Idaho Falls has allowed certain businesses to open in Boise, because many companies won’t look at a state unless they can open more than one store.

I’m not saying Trader Joe’s is going to make an announcement about Idaho Falls this week, this month or this year. I have no idea. But, I do understand the concept that once businesses start to expand into ID, they look at other urban markets.

Idaho Falls, for retail purposes for a store like Trader Joe’s, would include the usual 300,000 people from eastern ID, western WY, and southern MT. However, the population from Blackfoot south to at least Ogden (if not farther as I’m not positive Trader Joe’s is in Utah), should also be considered.

Consequently, for a store like that, the “draw” of potential customers may be 500,000 people shopping in Idaho Falls.

I’d encourage you to do a little bit of research and then write Trader Joe’s. Find out where the closests locations are from I.F. and the estimated population of the metro areas. Then e-mail the company. E-mail then monthly if you have to.

My understanding about Olive Garden is while Idaho Falls wasn’t in the top ring of where they just had to place a restaurant, the consistent and perisitent e-mails, letters, phone calls etc. made them re-evaluate. Sometimes parts of business rules can’t be followed 100%, when a population is demanding a restaurant, store or service. I seriously doubt at this point whichever Venture Group or person sponsored the franchise for the I.F. Olive Garden, has had any grief from Corporate about the numbers.

Actually, an interesting tidbit about a comment someone made elsewhere and a comment made on this site made me think about the Olive Garden a bit more and what it took to get it (or other restaurants) to I.F. And, what other good fits there would could be.

I posed the question what restaurants would we as the public like seen developed on the 9 open restaurant pads. I believe now at least 3 of the pads had been spoken for, yet we don’t know the names.

One person on IFz.Com suggested a Macaroni Grill. In thinking about it, I think a Macaroni Grill would be a GREAT addition to Idaho Falls. Another Italian restaurnt. Personally, I would put it by the new Hilton Garden Inns, if it were up to me.

Elsewhere, I read that of all the Johnny Carino’s in the U.S., the Idaho Falls/Ammon restaurant is #2 in business done. So I’m positive another known Italian restaurant would be a hit in Idaho Falls.

For those few who may not know, it’s interesting the relationship Johnny Carino’s, Olive Garden and the Macaroni Grill have to each other.

Oliver Garden was first, then I believe it was one of the major chefs who left Olive Garden and formed the Macaroni Grill. I don’t remember the position of the person, but Johnny Carino’s got started when someone left Macaroni Grill. They are all similar in some ways, but very different. The noise at some Macaroni Grill’s compared to what is strongly discouraged at Carino’s is greatly different. Olive Garden is somewhere in the middle.

Anyway, sometime read the sections on the websites for those restaruants of what it takes to franchise a restaraunt.

Sometimes when we wonder WHY a restaurant won’t locate here, despite obvious public support, I’m not sure we releaze the Portfolio and proven track record anyone opening another franchise must have.

I might be wrong about this specifically being Olive Garden, as I’ve read the requirements for “New Franchises” for many restaurants. But, I believe it is one of the steepest. Anyone wishing to franchise a new location has to have successfully run X amount of restaurants, doing Y amount of business for at least 5 years. In other words, Olive Garden doesn’t take risks. They want franchisees who know how to make money running restaurants.

Then there is the “buy in” cost to open a Franchise. Please look at Olive Garden’s as I don’t remember for sure as it’s been a long time since I read this. The has to be X amount of available cash, and other assests. Somewhere in my brain, the number $5 Million is stuck. I don’t know if that is the other restuarants a franchisee has owned and run, along with available cash for a new Olive Garden must equal $5 Million, or whether it was something else.

It doesn’t matter what I read 18-24 months ago compared to what the current requirements for additional stores are currently. I’m suggesting you read what a person, representing a specific Capital Venture, or a group of people must do to be able to open another location.

Actually, while I don’t know for a fact, I suspect that Ball Ventures has been involved as “part-owners” in certain Ada and Canyon County hotels, so those years as “owners” would allow them to expand those hotel chains to Idaho Falls.

I think the Candlewood Suites is direct proof of BV finally being able to open another InterContinental Hotel in Idaho Falls, based on how many they have been involved in elsewhere.

Perhaps, one of the great delays in the Marriott Residence Inn, is letting enough years tick off of local ownership for a Marriott franchise, The Fairfield, until that requirement for another Marriott hotel could be built. I don’t know that as fact, but I wonder about it now, as I recall how strict the guidelines are for the major names in so many large businesses.

Bottomw line: Do your homework. check Trader Joe’s website for info of what it would take to get one in Idaho Falls, where are the closest three to I.F., and start contacting T.J. (and ask your family and friends plus all others who want to see one in the area) do the same.

T.C. has been a wonderful experience, not in just getting things started downtown and turned around. But, I believe the development has allowed many to “dream” about what may be in our area.

Instead of just dreaming, start finding out what it would take. Grow Idaho Falls worked 7 yrs., with the I.F. airport to get United Airlines to I.F. United now wonders why they didn’t get here sooner and wants to add flights. But, you have to understand that many cities throughout the U.S. are wanting diffferent businesses to locate where the are located.

“Selling a business” on the reason of why to locate in Idaho Falls, not only require all of that business’ requirements be met, but understand why they should invest in Idaho Falls instead of a different location in a different city and state.

As large as DIA is, there is a fixed amount of flights that can land and take off daily, with the current runways. For United to add more flights to Denver, either a new runway has to be built opening more flights to many locations, or a route that isn’t producting the revenue must be shut down and that landing and take off “slot” reallocated to another DIA -IDA (and back) flight.

I strongly encourage you to learn more about the businesses your want to see locally, and then get involved letting them know what their customer base in Idaho Falls could be. The example of Comp USA is another good one.

Do your homework. How many people need computer parts, and what is the major competition? Where is the 2-3 closest Comp USA located? Remember to include the Bozeman area and certainly Jackson Hole in your research.

Comp USA doesn’t have that many stores in UT. So between ISU, INL, BYU-I, University Place, plus regular businesses and residents, if you were a person trying to decide if your next store should locate in Idaho Falls, what would convince you?

Grow Idaho Falls has most of the “hard facts” about income levels, education and other things businesses look at. Become more familiar with those numbers as you don’t want to draw the interest of some company and have them say, “You are right, we need to be there. We’re opening a shop in Pocatello in 6 months..” or whatever.

Mostly, don’t underestimate the power YOU have to make a difference in getting the restaurants you want here, more airline service, more hotels or more shopping.

I doubt Saks 5th Ave will be interested in Idaho Falls until the # of Billionaires and Trillionaires in Jackson Hole is better established. Still, don’t bet on Saks as rumor has it they will be opening a store in UT.

Believe in yourself, your city or area, and then be realstic of how a company could benefit being in Idaho Falls. Then go for it! Companies are in I.F. due to people who had vision.

Taylor’s Crossing and the new 13 story condo building and 5-6 story Marriott Residence Inn are coming due to the vision of the Walker Brothers and similar people.

I think a PF Changs would do great in Idaho Falls. As would a Cheesecake Factory. With all the new hotels going up, the higher end restaraunt chains like the two mentioned above would do great here. Personally I think they should have put a Macaroni Grill were the Olive Garden is.

Just curious if anyway has heard or seen an announcement from McNeil Development/T.C. about the exciting new restaurant, whose deal was suppose to be finished within days (last week).

I was thinking I probably missed the announcement somehow.

So if you know anything, please post it here as well as the under the other T.C. thread about the Bronze Eagles.

Trust me, people throughout the state want to hear this announcement.

Just to clarify, I’m not knocking Paul Menser or the skills of anyone on this site for learning information of what will be built in the Idaho Falls area.

Idajo impressed with his/her knowledge about Joey’s, just as DNIX did about the Microtel Inn. Others have had solid knowledge of changes or other new buildings, programs to expand, jobs coming etc.

All I was trying to say, is why would Paul Menser necessarily know more than some of us? Sure, he can go to the building department and look at the building permits. Maybe some of us researched those permits months ago.

Just for an example, how many really know what is going on with Sunnyside Crossroads Regional Shopping Center?

For that matter, besides DNIX, who knows where the third Walgreen’s will be in Idaho Falls? I don’t think that announcement is too far off, and yes, I counted the Ammon one as an Idaho Falls area Walgreens.

Yet, have we read anything in Shoptalk about Walgreen’s plans for their 3rd Idaho Falls area store? I haven’t. If you have, please post it here. Otherwise, this is just another example of some people have connections or knowing how to use the Internet to answer questions.

DNIX – you can answer the question about knowing where that Walgreens is going – that you know, but please don’t tell at this point, ok? I really am trying to prove a point here that you and I, along with some others, look at different sources to find information.

Honestly, that’s part of what has frustrated me about Shop Talk for over a year. We find better, deeper and faster information for the majority of new developments, IMHO.

What do you think?

Isn’t Walgreen’s going in at the corner of 1st & Woodruff? It’s not a big secret, I read it in the Post Register.

It has been about 10 days since we were told by Mr. Lorin Walker that Taylor’s Crossing on the River was adding a dynamic new restaurant that would bring a very dynamic eating experience to Idaho Falls.

I’m not sure about you, but I sure haven’t heard the name of the restaurant yet. Just checking with the rest of you to find out if you have?

I have confirmed an Iggy’s Sports Bar and Grill will be building in Idaho Falls, but that is probably 6-12 months down the road.

I also read from the T.C. web site that the Marriott Residence Inn will have the most hotel rooms of any hotels in eastern ID.

It seems we haven’t heard anything about the new Steak House, Fish/Seafood Restaurant or the unique restaurant, about which Mr. Walker has referenced in various media discussions.

Let me clarify that statement and say we don’t appear to have heard anything from McNeil or the Walker brothers. Some of us continue to add information of what is headed our way from what we know. However, I’m talking about McNeil following up on initial announcements made with the formal details to follow, in the time frame promised.

Just wondered one more time why we haven’t heard and read more about these restaurants? I also wonder why if there are delays why we never hear about them?

I’m not aware of any construction of the Marriot or the Condo Tower either.

What do YOU think about the lack of announcements and what seems like no follow up from McNeil? One person recently confided to me that all McNeil announcements are something that person doesn’t count on until s/he can see the structure has been built.

At the very least it seems like McNeil could say information about Development X has been delayed as the deal hasn’t been worked out yet. Otherwise, I am starting to wonder how much local residents will trust or believe the brief bits of information hinted about, at IFz.Com or through the local media, in the future, if not already.

And your thoughts are………

Anonymous,

Thank you for your post and blutness. I’ll say I honestly don’t know what all the problems at T.C. are, although I’ve heard about many. But, you nailed it on the head.

I was trying to be diplomatic in my original statement #113, but I appreciate your remarks. I want to be sure it just isn’t me who is frustrated with the lack of building etc.as T.D the way I see it with Snake River Landing making their time tables, Ball Ventures with the Hilton and then Candlewood suites progressing as planned, plus the Sunnyside Crossroads Regional Shopping Center getting that property annexed and re-zone etc., as well as other smaller developments (or re-developments of former buildings that had their former tenants move to a new location and now new businesses have been secured new for the available space) etc., that I’ve learned to appreciate the vision of T.C., but not expect anything to get done on time.

Knowing a bit about the Walker Brothers, I do think they are men of integriety and want to build something special for Idaho Falls. Their vision of the future, along with Ball Ventures’, is what has started such a buzz in many business circles throughout the Intermountain West and elsewhere.

But, I am concerned about is when a Walker brother or someone else at McNeil makes announcements and repeatedly we don’t see any progress on the newly reported restaurant, new building or hotel/condo addition, this lack of action or follow up report makes the public not necessarily believe all they hear about T.C.

At this point, it is so much easier to look at an on-schedule pojects like SRL or some other “sleepers” most people haven’t been watching, but will be significant in the future.

So I dont know if any of you have noticed or not… but it looks like they are finally starting on the Marriott. The old parking lot has pretty much all been dug up now. Lets cross our fingers and hope there are no more delays! I am still wondering about the Eagle View plaza though… seems like the hole has been there for a while, but no progress has been made…

On a different note… it looks like Sunnyside Crossroads has finally started excavating, should be an exciting project also! I definately think this project will bring the much needed attention to the west side of Idaho Falls.

I just read again, the story in the PR, dated 06/29/06, about the 13 Story, 175 Ft. High, Marriott Residence Inn/Condo Building to be built in Taylor’s Crossing.

Anyone who subscribes to the print Post Register can obtain free access to the online version. I encourage all who can to read the original announcement again.

Just some interestiong information to ponder. Paul Menser wrpte:

1. There would be 800 living units in the $26 Million project.

2. The 13 story building would cover about 4 acres (I’m sure the implied meaning was including parking etc., not just the structure).

3. Lorin Walker, a principal in McNeil Development who has visited Idaho Fallz.Com from time to time, but not left any messages on this thread (interestingly enough), is quoted as saying, “Idaho Falls is starting to catch fire as a growing city.”

Walker continued, “I think it’s about the river. It’s about being able to hang out right here, where you can walk to the market or walk to the library. We’re in the middle of the baby boom bubble.”

4. Of note, this article did mention the formal announcement was to be in Aug.

I encourage all to read the article for those original details and many more.

I’d like to sincerely thank the Walker Brothers for believing in Idaho Falls and breathing imagination and the concept new businesses and residents would relocate with the right development and employment opportunities.

I believe for many people, the Walker Brothers initially, and then Ball Ventures with Snake River Landing, jumped started some new ways of viewing Idaho Falls for residents who hadn’t done so in the past.

So I must first admit I’ve been incorrect saying it was a year ago since the annoucement was made about the Marriott Residence Inn. The Newspaper will show that my memory of a late June, 2006 article announcing the MRI is correct.

However, what I didn’t remember was the OFFICIAL announcement would be in Aug. Yet, from my POV, when the info is leaked to the press, the clock starts ticking that day.

Anonymous in Post #117 wrote, “So I dont know if any of you have noticed or not… but it looks like they are finally starting on the Marriott. The old parking lot has pretty much all been dug up now.”

I sure hope you are right Anonymous from Post 117, given that it has been a year. McNeil employees have told me directly they plan on having the Marriott Residence Inn open by Christmas, 2008.

I thank McNeil and all involved with Taylor’s Crossing for giving citizens hope, more than anything else. That hope may be for new specific businesses, or a new tallest building in downtown, or a more simplistic condo lifestyle, for those who live in a T.C. Condo. I think T.C.’s successful development, which has been noticed by the west coast building types, has perhaps moved SRL and other projects along faster than if they were just redeveloping by themselves.

I remember having a tremendous amount of hope, pride and feeling optomistic about what was ahead for Idaho Falls when I saw this front page news.

Now that is a year later and we have no cranes over that property or official explanations of what has been changed or not (but more versions of what is “fact” than I can count, from reliable sources), I’ve lost a little bit of my hope for T.C.

I haven’t lost it for redevelopment in Idaho Falls, but find myself repeatedly looking at the other developments and how rapidly they are getting buildings built, and starting to explain their master designs.

What has been YOUR experience this last year waiting for McNeil to break ground on the much-awaited, new tallest building, the 13 story Marriott Residence Inn/Condo building, announced one year ago?

I have to agree the so-called early information or leaks are usually well-orchestrated moments to deliver an early public message.

Pearl House – have they raised all the money yet? I’ve seen the signs where it will be built, but I didn’t think they had all the money secured yet. However, I could be wrong.

Please update us about the FCC’s fundraising efforts and anticipated start date of building Pearl House.

I’d heard a rumor several months ago that Pearl House could either end up in Ammon or Idaho Falls and some “turf” annexation battles had to be settled prior to construction. But, as I mentioned before, this was only a rumor, from an extremely well-placed source.

Does anyone know if The Family Care Center has raised all the $ they wanted to begun construction on Pearl House?

I don’t know how close they are. I hoped it would be ready this summer.

However, I was looking at the web page for IF Magazine, which has listed a LOT of commmunity organizations (to their credit!). There is now a website for this special playground: http://www.equalaccessplayground.org

Good work Harris Publishing/I.F. Magazine to have compiled so many of these community organizations and groups in an accessible format! I appreciate the true community service of these links as no one makes a buck off of having them on I.F. Magazine’s website.

Amen and good riddance to that old eyesore. Hopefully the next to go are those buildings south of the library, along the river. Isn’t there a development going up there also, something like Eagle Rock somethin?

I’m excited to finally get a skyline!

I think it will be a great addition, and it can only HELP Idaho Falls in the short and long run.

Is it still going to be 13 stories, or 5-6?

But one thing you have to give McNeil credit for is they actually did something this month. And last month Rob Bishop announced he would have an announcement in July about Destinations Inn (expansion).

So perhaps McNeil is learning a bit, that people are quite aware of other developments in town, besides T.C.

We got new information last week.

As I understand it, The Marriott Residence Inn will be a separate building immediately south of Broadway. It will be the 5 stories (or whatever the last # of stories reported) was. I believe McNeil said around 200 rooms, but am not positive of that fact.

McNeil IS going to start to build some housing in T.C. FINALLY!

It sounds like street condos, possibly the rowhouses they once talked about will start their construction after the Marriott Residence Inn work begins and continues for more than a week without another major problem.

Then, the 13 story Condo Tower, will start to be built. The 13 story Condo Tower will be farther south in T.C. instead of being immediately off of Broadway. That makes some sense to me, since access for tourosts amd other hotel guests needs to be as easy as possible.

So hopefully now these plans will start soon.

While I don’t know for sure, I suspect plans all the other developments, from Snake River Landing’s 2 hotels near the proposed convention/event center, as well as the fact that Renaissance has announced 2 additional hotels will be named by the end of summer to be located south of Wal-Mart, jump started McNeil to get moving on the Marriott Residence Inn currently.

We already know the Candlewood Suites will be a Ball Ventures hotel on Pancheri and Yellowstone. Additionally, hotels for shopping at the out-let mall (Sunnyside Crossroads Regional Center) have been announced as part of the overall design of that development.

Without what another developer, not mentioned on this page has sitting on his desk, a conservative estimate of the Candlewood Suites + 2 new hotels south of Wal-Mart and somewhere along the way 2 new hotels in SRL, plus 1-2 hotels in SCRC= 6-7 OTHER NEW HOTELS committed to the Idaho Falls market.

Additionally, we know BV is finishing up the Hilton Gardens Inn and don’t be too surprised to see a 4th hotel on the eastside being planned and built.

One of Americas favorite new pasttimes and vacations, is to stay at a hotel near regional shopping. Then have restaurants and entertainment such as movies etc. available for those who don’t want to shop more that day.

IMHO, McNeil would be very wise to start construction soon on the Marriott Residence Inn. Otherwise, some of those other hotels, besides the Hilton Garden Express will be open before they are.

To clarify, the two hotels that will be built south of the Wal-Mart are NOT part of Taylor’s Crossing, and are not being developed by McNeil Development.

And just for the record, my vote is both new hotels south of Wal-Mart will also be Marriott properties. Probably a Courtyard, which was originally suppose to go across Houston to the east. And one of their newer brands, such as a TownePlace Suites or a SpringHill Suites.

There’s more news, but that’s enough for now. Good things are coming to Idaho Falls!

Didn’t River City say the 13 story building was going east of the hotel and not south.

It appears one of my posts somehow didn’t make it before my last one.

You can probably fill in the gaps, from my last post and what Ok4NOW, Joe and Anonymous wrote.

Seen Enough,

You may have talked to or seen DNIX, since I have. (He is good to share info, isn’t he!).

If you physically see or talk to him, would you please tell him thanks for the note to me? I can empathize with what this next month will be like for him.

Just imagine how much more DNIX will have to tell us when he’s able to post again – and maybe some real progress on T.C. will have been made.

As for that rendering, you know some say they have the most recent plans. I wish I or others here knew how to persuade those people to post them here.

Seen Enough, might you have access to some of those drawings/renderings etc. DNIX mentioned to a couple of us? I’m certainly not his connection when it comes to pics or drawings!

I remember Smitty’s owners (tv interview, I think) saying the hotel would go by them. I don’t recall them mentioning the 13 story condo that physically close to their building. Of course plans probably have changed. But, there have to be a certain amount of parking spaces for cars – is the Marriott Residence Inn going to utilize underground parking like the 13 story Condo building is suppose to?

It would be best to see a diagram or pic. I’ll check a couple of places today, but don’t bet on me finding something more clear.

Joe, about posting, maybe I read it wrong, but I thought you wrote something a few days ago similar to you found a code problem that others with web site will find and you weren’t going to publish anything new until about the first of next month.

Between what you wrote and what got absorbed into my brain, there was a major disconnect. So we can post new articles now, not wait until after 8/1?

Oh, what about that river tunnel/bridge or whatever Seen Enough mentions above. Can you remember where you posted that Joe? It would be cool to have it surface again (no pun intended) just to see what my be similar or different than what Mr. Watkin’s has thought of.

You two (Joe and Mr. Watkins) are the only two I’ve ever heard be brave enough to think about a bridge across the river. It would be spectacular and wonderful for Idaho Falls to have. I just wonder about the risks.

Mr. Watkins didn’t state what type of bridge, as I recall. Joe, wasn’t your idea an enclosed clear “tube” for lack of better words, where someone couldn’t jump and hurt themself?

Thanks for the clarification.

Yes Joe, that is the one. It would be kind of cool to see how your idea is similar or different than Mr. Watkins.

Did anyone else read, in about 3 different places, including the I.F. Chamber of Commerce, what Mr. Lorin Green is discussing today at their meeting?

From the IF. Chamber of Commerce I quote, ” IDAHO FALLS AREA NEWS

Taylor Crossing to be Featured
Lorin Walker to present company information
Idaho Falls Chamber of Commerce Newsletter for Augusut 7th

Ok, that’s not quite an exact quote, but gets to what I wanted to say quicker.

Here’s what is to be discussed, and this is a direct quote from the I.F. Chamber of Commerce.

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“McNeil Development and Taylor Crossing will be the topic of discussion for the Tuesday, August 7 weekly Former hosted by the Greater Idaho Falls Chamber of Commerce.

“Lorin Walker, a partner and principal of McNeil Development, LLC, will give an update on the plans and progress at Taylor Crossing on the River.

“For over 50 years, the Walkers have been turning sagebrush into high-production agriculture lands and 15 years ago they began turning river bottoms and lava beds into some of the most sought-after commercial and residential real estate.

“Some of their projects include: Taylor Crossing on the River, Waterstone Residential and McNeil Business Park.

“Taylor Crossing is tagged as a 45-acre “Urban Renewal” project consisting of professional offices, banking, medical, retail, restaurant, hotel, and residential components.

“The high-tech infrastructure at Taylor Crossing features 30 miles of conduit and two communication control centers for state-of-the-art Intranet and Internet capability.

“McNeil Development has reclaimed the riverfront along a half mile of the Taylor Crossing project by removing hundreds of truck loads of garbage and debris from the riverbank. A new legacy walkway will replace the existing greenbelt, providing for hours of enjoyment along the river with the new River Gardens at Taylor Crossing.

“The Eagle Waterfall roundabout showcases the original bronze art of Victor Pane, a nationally renowned wildlife artist. The eagles are claimed to be the largest in the world.

“Waterstone Residential is a premier residential community located between Rexburg and Idaho Falls on Highway 20. Over 6,000 feet of river water and a 50-acre public lake next door make Waterstone a one-of-a-kind community. Strong CC&Rs will set Waterstone apart for many years to come.

“McNeil Business Park is located at the corner of Sunnyside and McNeil Drive. This park offers light industrial buildings and pad sites with direct access to 1-15. The buildings are constructed with long lasting modern twist to all of the city services.

“For more information on McNeil Development and their company, visit http://www.taylorcrossing.com.”

I apologize for my typos, I’m in a hurry. But, here is what I wanted to ask. Has anyone heard about the, “A new legacy walkway will replace the existing greenbelt, providing for hours of enjoyment along the river with the new River Gardens at Taylor Crossing.”

What is the new River Gardens at Taylor Crossing? Is that some type of indoor Botanical Garden or something else?

I thought those more in the know and wiser than me, or someone who happened to be at the right place at the right time, might know the answer to that question.

Wouldn’t it be a great addition to Idaho Falls to have a Botanical Gardens?!!!!!!

What do you think/know about this “River Gardens at Taylor’s Crossing,” is? What do you think about this addition to downtown?

Surprise for me, but a pleasant one!

Please share your thoughts….

NuSaid,

Thanks for the info. It sounds great!

There is so much to see and do already in downtown and while I think some publications and people work at getting that information out, I firmly believe there is a disconnect with newer residents, those thinking about moving or tourists knowing what is available.

I’ve talked to some recently that said Idaho Falls had NO Art Displays, be it sidewalk, gallery or private shows. My very bright response was, “Are you serious, there is art being displayed in so many different settings.” Maybe it was a different type of art than that person was use to seeing or wanted, I don’t know. But, I kn1ow right now there are like 3-4 displays.

Of course, I always encourage everyone to contact Idaho Falls Magazine for their complimentary copy (and some have – as they’ve written me when they received their copies). I also encourage them to watch the actual website of I.F. Magazine as well as IFz.Com, as I personally think these are the two best websites for thorough info about the I.F. area.

Probably some day Harris Publishing will get tired of me telling people to contact them for an issue of I.F. Magazine. However, much like the I.F. Magazine website and IFz.Com, I believe both show the possibilities and the skills “locals” possess to do work one would mostly find in the large 20 cities. But, I’ll deal with it when that day comes, as I’ve recently learned Harris Publishing also publish I.Q. Idaho and I’ve written several remarks about articles.

I had one person planning to move to the I.F. area, who was impressed with I.F. Magazine and Idaho Fallz.Com, ask me where he could get a similar site for Twin Falls. I, as politely as I could, explained I had no idea and not to expect on finding anything comparable. After the guest from Seattle told Joe this was a site like what people in Seattle and the big 20 cities would be more use to (and his compliments of course), I’m not confident any other city in Idaho has had any business or person devote the time, energy and love to perfect their sites like both I.F. Magazine and IFz.Com. However, I might be wrong; nonetheless, I’m not responsible for what is or isn’t available any where else in ID.

So back to the topic at hand, then are the plants, trees, flowers etc. considered “The River Gardens?” I’m just confused why it wouldn’t just be a Legacy Parkway with the great artistic pieces, instead of called “River Gardens.”

What did I miss? Or anything else you can add? Will it be like a Garden with mostly trees and bushes, highlighted with the art pieces, or more botanical?

Thanks, NufSaid for the update. I appreciate it.

P.S. Any idea what has happened with Rob Bishop making his announcement from July about his expansion?

Joe,

Certainly, I think that is the case for some – not thinking the oils, glass, colored pencil renderings etc. are art because they are “calm.” But, most of those who ask me say, “What?” when I mention the I.F. Arts Council which has a lot going on.

There is now a separate URL for the IFYAC, given all the youth activities.

Private galleries will mostly be word of mouth. But, if people were wise, they would pay your consultant’s fee and get their gallery or exhibition on a website.

The people I’m mentioning were clueless there was music on the greenbelt – Alive after Five or the Tuesday series sponsored this year by EIRMC, plus even battle of the bands as part of the Snake River Roaring Youth Jam.

I do realize some could question how battle of the bands is “art,” but as CR67 and I were discussing today (sort of discussing), is it art to have Diamond David Lee Roth join Van Halen for their gig? Or is it more artistic to put “I Can’t Drive 65,” Sammy Hagar as their front man? Or is Van Halen art at all?

Should Van Halen be considered art compared to Mozart?

Joe, you were the one who told me about the cool benches downtown. I had no idea they had been commissioned at $3K/bench (and still are). And while I think your comment was a general one, not just directed toward me, I have seen University Art at several Universities. It’s all different too, depending on what the interests and special classes that university offers.

Maybe EITC could use a blow torch and weld some pieces together, from a mechanics class, and start a “Used Auto Parts” display. It could be interesting.

So while I won’t totally disagree with you, most of the people who have asked me, are people with kids who want to know about Art Museums or displays locally. I don’t think they are looking for nudes or art so abstract the adults wondered why they paid the price of admission.

Rather, sometimes I think they are looking for art teachers and think a gallery or museum is a good place to start. Or, they are here for another reason, maybe one parent is stuck in meetings so the others want to go explore.

That being said, that doesn’t mean some wouldn’t like more “bold” displays. So how do those people get connected and make their wishes known to the Arts Council etc.?

I’m not opposed to whatever people will support. The museum or gallery must be able to show a profit from having whatever on display.

My point is enough people have to want the exhibits, whatever they are and wherever they are, to get more diverse art here. Are we ready to pay for what we say we want to see? Do people drive to Jackson or Sun Valley currently to see different types of art?

I don’t know. I just know Snake River Landing and Taylor’s Crossing could do a lot to widen the horizons of what is art in Idaho Falls.

OK4Now,
Thanks for the great praise for the Idaho Falls magazine web page, but as an account executive for Idaho Falls magazine, I wanted to clarify one small item. Harris Publishing doesn’t publish IQ Idaho. Falls Printing, who is owned by Harris Publishing, prints the publication here in Idaho Falls. The publisher is in Boise and his name is Jeff Boyle, who use to live in Idaho Falls and is a Bonneville High School graduate.

With many local magazine publications this confusion happens quite often. I just wanted to make sure everyone understood that Harris is not the publisher.

Falls Printing however does print a Twin Falls magazine called Southern Idaho as well, but they haven’t yet launched an online presence.

Thanks for the comments, they are appreciated.

Harris Publishing publishes the following magazines: SnoWest, SledHeads, Diesel Tech, RiverJet, Houseboat, Pontoon & Deck Boat, Today’s Playground, Potato Grower, Sugar Producer, Mountain West Golf, Mountain West Turf and Idaho Falls magazines.

Falls Printing prints all but two of these titles here in Idaho Falls, including the Idaho Falls magazine. Falls Printing is owned by Harris Publishing.

All magazine titles are under the Harris Publishing umbrella.

Falls Printing also prints IQ Idaho, Southern Idaho, Prospectus, Home Team Magazine to name a few. All the files are producing in their own offices with Falls simply printing for them. They are NOT owned or operated by Harris Publishing, but are owned by other people, Falls is just the printer.

I do not know who maintains IQ Idaho’s website, but the IF Magazine site is operated by employees of Harris Publishing who work on the Idaho Falls magazine.

I hope this helps clarify.

As far as sheet fed printing, I believe that the two big printers in Idaho Falls are Falls Printing and Printcraft Press.

The Post Register does have the market on newsprint printing which is done on a web press.

Not sure where RCW gets printed though. I believe I had heard it was in southern Idaho someone.

Thanks for the info, Jay. It is much more clear now.

Anyway to estimate how much Harris Publishing, as a company, has grown the last five years? We often look at new businesses coming in; however, I know one goal of Grow Idaho Falls is to increase the size of local companies that are doing well.

Were all those magazine printed by either Falls Printing or Harris Publishing five years ago? Any idea of employee growth?

Thanks again for information. I understand much more clearly that Falls Printing publishes material from offices probably throughout the state.

Looks like the old Army Surplus has finally been demolished. Now lets see how long it takes for them to actually start building, or to see how long it will sit empty like the Eagle View Plaza.

I want to make sure the Walker Brothers know how much I really respect their efforts to improve Idaho Falls! And, I’m appreciative of what they’ve built to date.

I’m frustrated we’ve not seen more work on the Marriott Residence Inn and the Condo project, partially for personal reasons and a family member extremely interested in wanting to move to one of those condos. But, also for business reasons.

I think they have raised the bar, however, for any new development in Idaho Falls. And for that, I admire them tremendously.

The Cheese Cake Factory has recently changed their webpage. Their prior webpage required NO POPULATION criteria. Only serious investors.

I’ve been told by easily a dozen people, who don’t live in the Idaho Falls area, this summer what a great fit they see with the design and feeling of Taylor’s Crossing and the Cheesecake Factory.

I would like to see the Walker Brothers/McNeil Development pursue this franchise (if it’s reasonably priced – I how one am not that impressed with the food for the cost; however, many are) if the cost for franchising is reasonable for McNeil.

I sincerely wish the Walker Brothers/McNeil Development the best of luck and connections meeting those they need to. Not only with Taylor’s Crossing, but other projects that appear to be in the works in the Idaho Falls area.

Regardless of those who also develop new projects, the two Walker Brothers were the first to take the risk and proudly tell the world was somewhere worth seeing.

I’m frustrated by those who say no one comes to Idaho Falls as a destination. Hmmm, how often do YOU how say that have to book local hotel reservations?

Indeed many who initially pass through Idaho Falls do so as part of their vacation to YNP or Jackson Hole. However, it is Idaho Falls and what people feel in the city that is bringing many back for a second, third or fourth look as a new home for their families.

I was recently sent an e-mail message by a gentleman in OH. Just wanted to give me a heads up a Cincinnati radio station was already advertising their planned trip to YNP next year with Idaho Falls as part of their destination.

International Isotopes, the AP article I read today about the original founder of Dome Technology, other spin offs, and too many other businesses to name bring people to Idaho Falls.

I’ve heard in the last week who are thrilled Delta is going back to 6 flights/day in Sept. (Pocatello will have 2 EMB- 39 seaters) compared to 300 seats/day from Delta.

Did anyone else see where United added an extra flight to Idaho Falls recently? I have no idea when they did that and whether it will last as I do think, as the KPVI article above indicates, that United is working overtime to get a direct flight to Idaho Falls from Chicago.

For those of you who think no one comes to Idaho Falls as a destination, I say read some other websites and get educated. People often list how many times they come yearly on business.

For family reunions, maybe some readers have never thought about having siblings or others who live far enough away that they actually return to see their families in Idaho Falls. And, as is the common practice in larger cities, many stay at hotels for a variety of reasons.

I have to take a break from this site, when I read such ignorant comments when there are so many factual comments, on the Internet, alone, let alone from private businesses, that prove Idaho Falls is a destination of choice for many.

It may not be for some readers, but I’d really encourage those who like to write inaccurate information like that, please check the facts.

Thank you Walker Brothers for believing in Idaho Falls! I know the person who uses the username, Dnix0112 (hope I got those numbers correct) joins me, stating we believe and see as much in the future for Idaho Falls as your company does.

With a 4% growth rate, the lowest unemployment in the nation several times the last year, plus all the business briefings naming where Idaho Falls excels, some may be confused or not realize who is looking at relocating in I.F.

One gentleman recently contacted me, who doesn’t have a family, but he and his wife like high school sports and other things Idaho Falls has to offer.

As hard as it may be for some to accept, this man wrote the Chukars were one of the major draws for he and his wife to sell their FL home and find a new one in Idaho Falls.

Check the Internet, or with local real estate agents, the Chamber of Commerce, or others in the know, before some of you sell this city out as a “nowhere” place to visit. Nationally, you are behind what many in so many other states have researched.

Walker Brothers, you have set the standards! Thanks you!

I made an error in posting from yesterday and need to clarify. First, I apologize for my error. I was thinking of comments written in so many other Internet sites about the possibilities of Idaho Falls and still trying to understand why local residents give up on their own city. I should have just stayed focused on the restaurant.

BTW – Joe – a fascinating question of the week to ask would be how many times yearly does each user visit other cities (or leave) Idaho Falls, and do they drive, fly from the I.F. Airport, other etc.? Those are actually 2 or more questions, but might help break down those who certainly are entitled to their views, but will find the world, the U.S. and many businesses in particular don’t share their view.

That being said, let me correct my mistake.

Neither PF Changs or The Cheesecake Factory franchises, nor shares joint ventures.

The Cheesecake Factory does have some requirements for location placement, but it is not based on population. Anyone who doesn’t know what happened to the Cheesecake Factory and Gateway Mall in Salt Lake City should be able to research it so the same error isn’t made twice. T.C., like SRL, and GATEWAY, ALL are in redevelopment districts. Certainly, homework is in order before contacting TCF. However, the fact one is in Boise may make it much easier for another to be added in Idaho Falls.

Here’s the link for TCF:

http://www.thecheesecakefactory.com/Franchise Information

“Thank you for your interest in The Cheesecake Factory. Our full-service restaurants are Company owned and operated. We currently do not offer franchises or joint venture opportunities and have no plans to do so in the future.”

P.F. Changs will receive e-mails from anyone wanting them to review their location for a potential restaurant. They won’t franchise. But, besides me, how many others who use this site have sent an e-mail requesting them to check with McNeil Development about T.C.?

http://www.pfcb.com

In the FAQ Section, it reads,

” Frequently Asked Questions

Q. What is P.F. Chang’s China Bistro, Inc.?
A. P.F. Chang’s China Bistro Inc is the parent company name for the restaurant companies – P.F. Chang’s China Bistro, Pei Wei Asian Diner and Taneko Japanese Tavern.
Q. Are franchises available?
A. All of our restaurants in the continental United States are company-owned. We currently do not have any domestic or international franchise opportunities available.”

If you want to see P.F. Changs in Taylor’s Crossing, then send an e-mail.

Also, to clarify one question I saw in the chatbox, I believe it is very important to not confuse what the physcial boundaries and developments of Taylor’s Crossing compared to Snake River Landing, Renaissance, Eagle Rock City Center (is that right Dnix and others who know? Darn, I wish I didn’t forget that name everytime I need to remember it), plus other developments.

NOT ALL PROPERTY west of the Snake River and east of I-15 between Broadway and Pancheri, is Taylor Crossing.

It may be appropriate to ask which developer plans on adding which businesses instead of assuming it is all in T.C. because many, many new businesses or expansions of previous businesses are going into neighboring developments that are NOT part of T.C., but physically, close to it.

This post is really in response to a question I saw roysie ask in the chatbox a few days ago.

Let me first be very clear, I get these boundaries mixed up and more times than I can count, I’ve had to ask DNIX to clarify them for me. However, I want to make sure that local residents understand that major commercial, as I understand it, is not planned for T.C.

I believe the remaining buildings to be built, include an office building, restaurants, the reception center and of course the Resident Marriot Inn and Condo Tower are that last buildings before private residences are built in Taylor’s Crossing. If someone has more updated information than I, please post it.

What many seem to forget is Renaissance Partners, LLC, is a brave group of MANY developers who took what was an blighted area in Idaho Falls and are continuing to turn the area into the crowned jewel.

A totally separate development, close to both Taylor’s Crossing and Snake River Landing is suppose to be where higher end commercial was scheduled to go.

The approximate 35 acres of commercial development are not being developed by a local company, rather, by Seattle-based, KATSAM, LLC.

The name of this development is Eagle Rock Town Center and it is just off Utah Ave.

It is probably more appropriate to ask what new commercial developments are headed to SRL or Eagle Rock Town Center, let alone the outlet malls etc., than T.C.

I hope this helps clarify what seems like a small detail, but may prove to be huge when considering KATSAM, LLC is based out of Seattle and what companies they may be able to secure for the area.

DNIX, when you read this, if I blew it, or got those boundaries slightly off (or off in a big way), please correct me.

Most people, I think are becoming more clear about the area of Rennaisance that Conrad and Bischoff have developed. There is something about seeing completed buildings that helps.

All of this is good for Idaho Falls and for the respective members of Renaissance, LLC.

Ok – who here knows more about Camping World than I? Well anyone who has heard the name previously knows more than I do.

However, I suspect we’ll be learning a lot more about them as one will open in Idaho Falls in 2008. It will expand the site of the present day Bodily R.V. Center into a much larger facility. Obviously, Rodily R.V. sold their business to Camping World.

Per the news release today, new Camping World facilities were announced for Idaho Falls and Meridian, the press release said,

Additionally, I believe this quote is important and I do go back to the vision of the Walker Brothers being the first to change areas of Idaho Falls for others to dream more or what could be.

“Camping World stores stock a large selection of camping gear and equipment for the recreational vehicle market. The company has more than 130 locations nationwide. The closest stores to Idaho are in Portland and Draper, Utah.”

Their website is at: http://www.campingworld (dot com).

Odd how I haven’t seen the local media with this story. I probably haven’t read enough or seen the right channels. Maybe it is not considered newsworthy enough, I don’t know.

I do think this is a perfect example of how sometimes some of us learn about things prior to the media getting the info printed or on the air, IMHO.

And, what I love about the quote above, is it totally supports the I.Q. Idaho article stating how some businesses wouldn’t look at Idaho before they had more than one market in the state. Thus, why Idaho Falls and the redevelopment of TCOR and SRL were so crucial to further growth and services.

Nice work everyone invovled.

I’m looking forward to this addition. And who knows, maybe some will camp by Taylor’s Crossing on the River, as the building get built.

I might be confused. I’ll post the press announcement and then let’s see if it’s clearer. It was clear in the press announcement that Bodily’s had sold their facilities in Meridian and Idaho Falls.

However, as I stated earlier in my other post, I know little about this subject. So let’s look at the source putting out the information.

Happy Camper,

I apologize I couldn’t get back here sooner with this info. Learning some REAL interesting stuff about T.C. and upcoming announcements.

For now, let’s see if we can figure this out about Bodily’s and Camping World.

I like the press release from the Idaho Statesman, from 9/19/07. Here is the link:

http://www.idahostatesman.com/business/story/162153.html

Granted some in the State of Ada take great pleasure in slamming eastern ID, but not everyone does. The article focuses on the benefits mostly to Meridian which makes sense as that city is in the Statesman’s market.

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I must digress, given very recent events, to address some who read the Statesman and other sites concerning ID.

For those who take every shot or attempt to put down eastern Idaho, Idaho Falls in particular, I understand you either aren’t old enough or wise enough (or both) to understand what you communicate to to others.

You can move from where you were born or attended high school. But until you resolve your unresolved issues, they make the move with you to any city, state or country in the world, where you decide to reside.

When one is truly mature that person neither needs to call buddies in for back up, nor do they continually need to put down other geographical areas, efforts of bloggers etc., in the good old “left-handed slap,” approach.

Those involved know what I’m talking about – although a very kind person may have to explain to a couple what a left-handed slap means. I don’t believe they have that level of sophistication to understand without some extra help.

When one is at peace with him or herself, that person doesn’t need to put anyone or any other place down, to articifically build up his/her self esteem. When a person has self esteem, s/he draws more positive and upbeat people. Plus, s/he focuses on what is great where s/he has decided to call home.

Trying to insult residents of a specific area, is only a tactic to attempt to re-direct questions away from yourself.

After all, when one really doesn’t want to look at what is not working so well in one’s own life, it’s far easier to try to pick a fight or insult others than look in a mirror and work on what you see and know has never healed.

If you are a less frequent visitor to this site who likes to pretend s/he is so proud of progress in eastern ID, then in turn, is posting elsewhere other comments from this page, I will let you dominate every thread you and I arrive at the same time.

I don’t need the attention you are screaming for, with your remarks. You don’t get it yet and I don’t want and won’t allow your constant negativity in my life.

Visiting this thread to use information elsewhere is, well classless, to say the least. I sincerely encourage you to seek the help of a mental health expert who can help you address the issues that make you hate Idaho Falls and certain people so much. Living in the State of Ada, you have qualified professionals who can help.

You’re a classic example, for those who have certain training of someone screaming so loudly s/he needs attention and how much you hurt. As the saying goes, negative attention is better than no attention.

I’m posting this here because you’ll be back. And unlike what you might do, I wasn’t going reveal how transparent you are in front of your collection of buddies.

Just because they sink to your level doesn’t mean I do. They probably aren’t clinically trained to assess your limitations, as well as I. If they are, my best wishes for success.

I will leave every common thread you and I arrive at, accidentally or not, at the same time. And, I’m asking you politely to leave information from this site and the other 2-3 threads you like to mix it up in, alone.

JTMICDA – I’m not talking about you.

I sincerely hope those who are so miserable enjoy trying to put-down others, cities, beliefs, golf courses or whatever, will find your own happiness soon. Then you can post about good things happening elsewhere in ID, besides your MSA. Idaho is only as good as the residents and people investing in Idaho.

WDNWTBAB!
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Now back to you, Happy Camper,

I do sincerely apologize for having to write the above before addressing your post. I will no longer allow those who are classic bullies, just disgused a bit differently and a few hundred miles away, to continue some very dysfunctional patterns in public when I can do something about it.

Happy Camper,

See what you think from the link.
I’m posting it again, as it kind of got lost in the other content:

http://www.idahostatesman.com/business/story/162153.html

Here are the lines that were significant for me:

Reporter Ken Dey wrote, “The nation’s largest RV retailer has purchased Meridian-based Bodily RV Center.
The purchase by Chicago-based Freedom Roads/Camping World also clears the way for Idaho to get its first two Camping World stores: at Bodily RV’s Meridian location at 1580 W. Overland Road and at Bodily RV’s Idaho Falls location.”

“The company said it plans to open the Camping World in Meridian within the next six months and the Idaho Falls store within eight months.”

and later…..

“The company has more than 130 Camping World locations nationwide. Some of them are stand-alone and some are in combination with a dealership. Lemonis said the company also operates nearly 60 RV dealerships.”

“The closest stores to Idaho are in Draper, Utah, and Portland.”

then…..

“Gary Bodily admits he wasn’t interested in selling at first.

“They approached me about two or three years ago, and I told them no, but they called back this April,” Bodily said. “I had no intention of selling, but it seemed to be the right thing to do.”

What do you think, Happy Camper, after you read that press release? I hope it clarifies the Idaho Falls expansion/revision won’t open until 2008.

I apologize again to all who had to read words that were intended for a few. I understand why kids are bullies and I think most adults eventually do.

The real question is, do those adults who bully, intimidiate, insult or otherwise strive to mock or inflame a discussion, situation, or specific people, when there is no need to do so, understand how they appear to others?

You are a Happy Camper, Happy Camper, to put up with my post.

I haven’t been on Campingworld’s website enough to really know what all products will be available. I suppose someday we’ll see an article in the Post Register by Paul Menser address the subject. Even some here may still consider it only valid news if Mr. Menser writes about it in ShopTalk.

For those who like to camp, or have made purchases in other Camping World stores, let me ask a bold question that some are a little timid to ask. (They have their reasons, and they are valid. I have nothing to lose by asking this question).

With Camping World opening/expanding the former Bodily RV into what sounds like an RV superstore, does this make Idaho Falls more of draw for Cabela’s or not? Meaning, should Cabela’s put their 3rd Idaho store in Idaho Falls?

Would Camping World be different enough from Cabela’s for both businesses to be successful in Idaho Falls, from your POV?

Or, with Camping World making this announcement now, would Cabela’s be more likely to now want to build a store in Bozeman, MT instead of Idaho Falls?

I’m interested in your thoughts.

And, I’m also here to tell you, from a brand new source, the word “redesign” is now being used when describing T.C. Apparently, it’s worth the wait, from what I’ve been told.

Happy Camper,

I know nothing more than what I posted. But, didn’t that article essentially highlight the fact the Meridian store would be converted/built or whatever will be done there first?

Oh I just thought of something else. Will need to check that one out and get back to you on that.

I think this is great for Idaho Falls, given that the nearest CW is about 225 miles south. There is so much potential for business.

Think about this and let me know what you think. To me, this seems like the perfect time for CW to be making their move. If it will take 8 months, that’s ~ about May -right before Memorial Day and the big first camping trip.

It will be kind of interesting to see where they put other stores and how soon. Portland and Salt Lake City are far apart. I seriously doubt they will want to over-saturate the ID market with 5 more stores next year. But, I might be wrong. I have no experience following their business or their business practices.

I think they will be cautious and add one more facility in the Panhandle, and probably will be working on something for the Twin Falls area, depending on how Meridian goes.

Eight months can be a long time to wait for something to be completed. But 2 weeks ago you didn’t know CW was setting shop in Idaho Falls.

Just to highlight a point from another thread, if one puts in CAES (Center for Advanced Energy Studies being built at ISU-I.F./INL), I believe the 15th post on this thread, which I wrote, mentioned CAES in Feb.

I think my general search brought up about 8-9 threads on Idaho Fallz.Com about CAES.

Oh well.

Does anyone want to write what they know about Taylor’s Crossing? Or, did Joe indirectly discourage this thread by using the Q4 building/development summary?

I’m not willing to write what I know. Maybe others are. There USE to be a feeling of trust at Idaho Fallz.Com. It’s gone.

If you are interested in Taylor’s Crossing on the River, it doesn’t take much to find out what is going on.

And development in Idaho Falls should not be judged by TCOR only.

While I do agree it (TCOR) was the first development and probably encouraged other corporations to finally develop their plans, McNeil’s business plans are not the same as every developer’s in Idaho Falls.

sounds like someone wants to take their marbles and go home

Recently, Paul Menser, who wrote the Shoptalk Column in the Post Register, updated us about the Marriott Residence Inn Project.

Sounds like a 5-6 story hotel. Then, a series of condo building about 5 stories tall.

I was wondering how all of you understood that information. What I mean is did you read that to say there would be a complex (meaning several 5 story condo buildings) along the river? Or, did you read it more like there will be the MRI, then a 5 story condo building, then the row houses etc?

Time to activate this thread again, if as Mr. Walker was quoted as saying, McNeil hopes to dig dirt for the MRI in April.

Would you like to live by the river? If there are a series of condos, should some be for seniors and some more for singles/younger couples and some for larger families? Or, should they just be built and neighbors will be neighbors regardless of age?

I look forward to your thoughts……..

Just one more reason we need a nice parking garage built around that area.

I’m not sure if I’d live there, I like my cul-de-sac too much. But it would be nice to have new residences downtown, close to lots of cool things to do.

They should plan for some parking availability. CR67, I know you like the idea of a parking garage, but aren’t you from warmer areas where those are easier to maintain?

The one I use in Boise is reasonable, it gets lots of cars parked in a small space, but…I guess I’m on the fence again. (Gettin’ a dang crease in my backside from all my fence sitting on this site!)

We need to check into this entrance change, which is not in plan community was told new change has 9 public spots you know Marriot will close there lot to public. [customers only] and residents will have priority sandpiper did same thing closed there lot to customers only.

There is potential for parking garage ,alot of money can be made. The location wont help on the west side of river,We have a presentation by Taylor leadership,concerning the boat slips south of the project, I am going to address parking concerns and possibility that the public be allowed riverside parking.

Not to late for a joint use aggreement.

Aren’t the Walker Brothers involved with a huge housing development in Hurricane UT.? Local developers sure have big plans for the the river front areas yet not much is developing. Lack of financing? or lack of will?.

Lisa,

Idaho Falls Magazine recently had a nice summary about the Hurricane development. I’m not sure how familiar you are with that market and some new rules (limitations, as I understand them) in the St. George Metro area.

I’m not connected with McNeil or the Walkers in any capacity. However, I do have the ability to abstract.

My best guess is there was an absolute time limit on the southern Utah property. Also, if you read more about their Hurricane development, I think the condos on the river in Idaho Falls will make a lot of sense.

While I have no way of knowing this, I suspect the Walkers know their markets. I totally look for residents who own condos or a condo/home in both markets, depending on the season. If you’ve spent time in St. George in the summer, what use to be 106 is now 110-112 degrees. Especially with BYU-I now becoming a 4 year school, and fewer summer rentals available, more people from St. George are looking for a cooler retreat.

Plus, there is a limited water supply regardless of how different people in the St. George market like to spin it. Look how eastern ID is trying to conserve water already. St. George is so far down the river (PUN INTENDED) – the Colorado River. And Las Vegas pays a lot more for their needs than St. George.

Also, many Idaho Falls area retired residents don’t want to move to St. George, but would like to spend some of the colder months in the St. George climate. Now that IHC has finally put some better care in St. George medically such as much more advance cardiac care (but not as comprehensive as Idaho Falls…no neurosurgery, for example), many feel more comfortable leaving for the winter.

I just question is SkyWest will eventually start St. George to Idaho Falls direct flights when the new St. George airport is built.

I have no direct knowledge of this, but continue to be “encouraged” by a person from UT working on TCOR with the botanical part of TCOR. So I’m waiting to see what all is built and where the gardens begin.

These are strictly my ideas/opinions. However, I use to have to work monthly in St. George for many years, due to state contracts. I refused to fly, some months. Aborted take offs with a cliff below, or flying against a hill, that the airplane must clear straight up to get out of St. George gets old real fast, at least for me. Currently, the St. George airport can only handle the smaller planes. Trust me, I watched the test flights to St. George when the planes that fly to Idaho Falls were tested at the safest time of the day – about midnight.

Since this is an Idaho Falls-themed blog, I’ll leave my St. George airport experiences at that. Just be glad there are so many options for air travel in Idaho Falls.

IMO – that is one reason the I.F. metro continues to grow, say compared to Pocatello. Direct flights matter in business, at least to me. I suspect, though, others will agree.

I hope this info helps.

O4N

“Marriott has announced a 10 story hotel for Boise. Nowhere in the announcement I read could I find if this would be a full service Marriott, or a Marriott Residence Inn.

However, I thought it was interesting that Marriott is making their corporate move into ID currently.”

I know this is an old comment I’m replying to, but I thought I would clarify – Boise already has a Courtyard by Marriott and a Residence Inn.

Local news is reporting again that Rollie Walker is claiming AGAIN that he has funding to finish this eyesore. I think this has to be the tenth time at least Walker has claimed the funding is there and construction will resume shortly. Every few months he chimes in and claims this and yet nothing ever happens. I wonder the local news doesn’t have the stones to call him on this?