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Several people have approached me about writing complaints they have against local businesses. This is obviously a touchy subject.

On one hand, consumers should approach businesses themselves if they have problems. If they cannot resolve those problems, then they should file a complaint at the Better Business Bureau. Another negative issue is that publishing complaint stories at IdahoFallz.com can portray Idaho Falls businesses in a negative light to the world, since we rank high in many Idaho Falls-based searches.

On the other hand, approaching the business in private does not always get satisfactory results. The business owner or manager can be much more bull-headed in a private office with one customer. That owner or manager would be much more congenial if the issue is aired in a public forum where many locals are watching their reaction. The BBB is limited in that they cannot force businesses to take any remediation.


Finally, this is the Internet age, where anyone can kvetch about anyone or anything online. I would rather provide a single discussion thread for locals to make their case against local businesses and those businesses may respond, as opposed to multiple articles making multiple complaints. This can also be a forum for other customers to voice their good experiences.

So, what complaints do you have against local businesses?

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This post begins with a reminder. There are disclaimers here on idahofallz.com, but please remember:
This post is the sole responsibility of the author, and the website where it is posted is NOT responsible for any of the content. I (the author) am only sharing a personal experience of a friend who does not want to be identified about a business with which this person had a negative experience. The following comments are based on the story related to me by that person. I was one of the people who queried Joe about posting an article, but this is a much better place to post this…

For about 10 years, my wife (and more recently, myself) have used King George Plumbing to address any plumbing problems that we have encountered. My wife was so pleased with their service that when she began managing a small apartment complex, she instructed her tenants to use them as well. King George responded successfully to several (3 or 4) issues at the building (mostly clogged toilet lines), and problems were resolved to the tenant’s satisfaction. When my wife’s friend called her with a frozen sink drain (the pipe was routed against an outside wall) during our recent very cold spell, my wife did not hesitate to recommend King George to her.

The friend (we’ll call them ‘customer’ to help alleviate confusion) called King George, they arrived promptly. Customer showed the plumber where the problem was, a kitchen sink drain near an outside wall. The plumber said he should be able to blow out any blockage, and asked for an attachment to hook up to water (a faucet). Customer recommended the dishwasher water inlet, which was very nearby, and had a regular ‘outdoor faucet” type hook-up, but the plumber stated that he needed an outside faucet. Customer took the plumber outside, where he picked an outside faucet. Customer stated that if her drain pipe was frozen, she was certain that this outside faucet would be frozen as well. She asked the plumber not to use it.

Customer works from her home, and went inside to take care of some clients, leaving the plumber to do his work. After a short time, the plumber came to her with a prepared bill for $180, stating that the problem had been solved and everything was ready to go. Customer wrote him a check, and returned to her work. The plumber left at about 10:30a.m.

Customer continued to work in her home all day, and at around 4pm, her children returned home from school. When her daughter went downstairs to change her clothes, she quickly returned, stating that the carpet was “really wet”. Customer went downstairs to find about 3 inches of water covering her basement floor. She instructed her son to go outside to the faucet that the plumber had picked, and turn it on and off very quickly. When he did, water poured from her ceiling into the basement.

Customer immediately called King George to explain the situation, and they sent someone back out promptly. After evaluating the situation, he stated that another pipe had frozen, and he sees it “all the time.” When confronted about using the (now broken) faucet after being asked not to, he stated he would call his boss. After stepping outside to make the call, he came back in and said that they would refund half of her bill for the original work. Customer stated this was completely unnacceptable, and demanded that he call the supervisor again. He stated that the supervisor was “in a meeting” so he would not call him again. Customer called the shop immediately and the supervisor answered the phone. Customer and the supervisor had an argument on the phone, and both were fairly rude to each other. The supervisor at one point asked to speak to her husband so he could “talk to someone who [knew] what was going on.” The customer became very angry and stated that King George was responsible for the damage to her basement. At this point the supervisor stated that “[we] have good insurance, and if you want any money from us, you better sue us.” The supervisor then told her not to call any more, as he had her number and would not answer the phone anymore.

Customer called her bank and put a stop-payment on the check to King George. She called her homeowner’s insurance, and they immediately began the process of clean-up. At this point, the damages are over $5000. Customer’s homeowner’s insurance is pursuing litigation against King George.

I am completely shocked that this has happened, especially since we had no problems over numerous ineractions over the course of 10 years. I really hope that this was an isolated incident, but I would strongly encourage other people to use caution when selecting any plumber to do work on their home. I know that we will no longer use King George Plumbing.


Since I’m still fairly new to IF, (less than a year), I really don’t have any complaints against any local businesses. Aside from the occasional lack of customer service at a business or restuarant, I’ve come across no major problems in Idaho Falls.

Over the years though, I have found that writing a professional letter to the head of a company or organization has usually gotten me the best results. I’m really big on writing letters to express both my dissastifaction AND my good impressions/experiences with a company or business.
If I’m at a restuarant or hotel on vacation or out buying a big ticket item and recieve great service from the salesperson or customer service rep,and they’ve gone out of their way to make my experience a good one, I enjoy writing to their supervisor and telling them how happy I was with the service and pointing out who the person was the did such a great job. It’s nice to deal with people who take pride in their work and go above and beyond to make the customer happy. I don’t think enough people do that, plus it makes the person feel good that someone actually took the time to inform their supervisor of a job well done. Granted I don’t do this on an everyday basis, just on special occasions where its warranted. And almost always when I go on vacation.
When I’ve recieved very poor service and the salesperson or customer service rep was extremely rude or if I recieved unsatisfactory service that wasn’t remedied at the time it occured, I will write a polite, professional letter to upper management explaining my dissatisfaction. Nine out of ten times, I will get a response back thanking me for writing and am usually compensated then, whether it be a free night at a hotel, coupons on future visits, and in some cases refunds for some or all of the amount originally paid. Management has always thanked me for notifying them of the service, whether its good OR bad.
Like I stated before, I don’t write letters regarding petty issues, little things are not worth worrying about. Everyone has a bad day here or there and shouldn’t have that pointed out to management just because it upset you. Writing the BBB as Joe stated is also a very good way to inform others when you’ve really had problems with a business.
Great post Joe, it will be interesting to read others comments and experiences they’ve had.


One thing that I forgot to note is that I also encouraged the customer to file a complaint with the BBB.

I agree that writing a letter can be an effective way to resolve issues. As a former manager in the food services industry, we were definitely able to better address concerns/complaints of customers when they arrived in writing.


Dr Michael Tall Dentistry on Merlin Ave in Idaho Falls.

I used to take my son to his office. Last summer during a routine cleaning he and his assistant looked at an X-ray and both said they could see a tumor in his mouth and both dropped the cancer word. Several sleepless nights and whole lot of stress later and I was in a specialists office. He took one look at their x-ray and said immediately that Dr Tall and his assistant had misread the X-ray. He went on to explain how dentists now use these easier and quicker type of X-ray machines but these machines are unreliable because they have a tendency to create optical illusions. He then went and took an old fashioned X-ray and showed me how there was NOTHING there where the tumor had supposedly been. His jawbone was slightly denser in that spot which creates the optical illusion of a void in the kind of X-rays dentists use. Something that the specialist said dentists should be aware of and be able to pick out just like he did rather than panic parents.

While obviously relieved I’m also very angry that Dr Tall put me through all this stress. Then he has the audacity to send me a letter saying what great news it is that there is nothing wrong. Not a word of apology for his screwup. And of course he sent me a bill. Not to mention the bill from the specialist.

Obviously, my son no longer goes there.


***Whistles***

Wow, that is horrible!

You have to watch out for those dentists. About 12 years ago, my lifelong dentist left his private practice to join the Oral Health Center on Woodruff (across from Smith’s).

I went in with sensitive teeth, and the new dentist (don’t remember the name) declared all of my old fillings were bad and had to be replaced, at a projected cost of several thousand dollars and several visits.

Fortunately, a friend of mine in the local dentistry business told me that particular dentist was well known for ordering up unnecessary and costly procedures.

I called the Oral Health Center back and asked if a discount was possible, since they were taking on the benefits of my old dentist’s clients (and he would have given me a discount to fix his own work), but of course they refused. I told them the rumor I had heard, and instead of denying it I got some furious questions about who told me that. I declined to name my source and never went back.

12 years later, my fillings are still fine. I discovered my teeth only got sensitive when I drank soda pop.


I drink soda pop too!


I thought it was funny when I moved up here last year and heard everyone call soda, “pop”. Everywhere I went, restuarants, convienence stores, my g/f…all call it “pop”. Must be a regional thing, as I haven’t heard it called pop for about 30 years, and even then it was my grandfather who called it that. Another “word thing” I thought interesting to the region was “Jockey Box”?? When I first heard that I was like WHAT?? What the heck is a Jockey Box?? Ohhhhhh you mean a glove box? Ok, but it still didn’t make sense to me. Maybe there was something I didn’t know about Idaho. You put gloves in your glove box…do Idahoans put their jockey shorts in their glove box or dashboard compartment if you will? :) Sorry to get off the topic! One eyed trout got me laughing with his soda pop comment.

(and what is it with “fry sauce” everywhere I go? Don’t people use catsup in this state?) :)


How about barrow pit? Isn’t that a ditch? How about a sell? Isn’t that store having a sale? lol


UPDATE on Comment #1:

About two weeks after the incident between my friend and King George Plumbing occured, George himself called my friend and apologized for his behavior, and admitted that his staff was responsible for the damage to her home.

He is now working with my friend’s home insurance to take care of the problem.

I’m glad that my story seems to have a happy ending, but it still doesn’t hurt to be cautious when searching for someone to do any kind of work on your home.


I need to call Keyon broadband Internet service today. Their service is fine on weekdays, but it drops off consistently in the evenings and weekends. The Keyon connection slows to a crawl or drops off altogether, despite rebooting my computer and their modem. It’s frustrating because they do not have anyone answering their phones after hours to help, then I usually forget the next morning when my connection is working again.

This behavior makes me wonder if Keyon has all their customers on the same modem, which cable used to have a problem with, so when all those customers get on at the same time in the evenings our speed drops to nothing.

If you’re looking at broadband providers right now, I’d avoid keyon because of the speed and complete loss of service issues they’ve had the last few months.


We had a birthday party for my son last Saturday. We ordered a “Cars”-themed cake the week before from the westside Wal-Mart, for pickup at 10 AM on Saturday morning.

The Friday afternoon before, at 4:30 PM, the Wal-Mart bakery called us to say their sprayer died, they ordered a new one overnighted but they could not guarantee it would arrive in time for us to have the cake by when we needed it the next morning.

I thought it was short-sighted for the bakery to not keep a spare sprayer on hand and re-order spares when they die, but whatever I don’t run their business.

My wife called the dreaded Ammon Wal-Mart, ordered a 1/4 sheet with Cars theme, and made sure to spell our son’s name because his contains a letter that is unusual. The employee read it back to confirm spelling.

I drove over at 10 AM and picked up a tiny 1/8 sheet cake with my son’s name misspelled. I called my wife to ask and confirm she ordered the 1/4 sheet and spelled our son’s name correctly. She remembered the person even spelled it back.

I picked up some other party things and went to the customer service counter. I told the employee I was having a bad overall Wal-Mart experience and wanted to speak to a manager.

I was surprised when an assistant manager arrived to talk to me, who looked like he was still in high school. Surprised because a full manager had been walking around and even behind the customer service counter while I waited.

I made a joke about “when it rains it pours” to the assistant manager, but he didn’t seem to get it. I stated the problem I had with the westside store, now with the small cake and misspelled name. I said I just wanted a discount off the cake and I’d be on my way to the party.

The assistant manager took the cake and walked to the bakery. As he left I told him I was in a hurry, running late for the birthday party.

I waited about five more minutes, and was starting to walk over to the bakery to see what the delay was when an employee gave me the phone from behind their customer service desk. It was the assistant manager saying their bakery employees were saying they had the order right.

I could not believe I was being accused of lying. I told him I had not been on the original phone call, so I called my wife to ask, and she said the opposite. I said I couldn’t say what happened, but I know she knows how to spell our son’s name, and that he was either going to give me a discount or not but that I had to go I was in a hurry.

The assistant manager finally came back and said he would give me 10% off. He told the cashier I went to, but when the cashier rang it up and gave the discount, someone else came up and started hassling her about giving a discount.

Let me relate another cake example where Albertson’s went beyond great customer service. When I graduated college, my wife got a cake that said “Congrations” instead of congratulations and also misspelled my name. She pointed out the name misspelling at pickup, they scraped it off and redid it, but then the cake looked pretty bad.

She called the next day and mentioned it to an Albertson’s store manager, and asked if she could get a discount refund. The manager refunded her the entire cake price. We figured half off was fair enough, but we were impressed by that Albertson’s manager.

Now we have a Wal-Mart assistant manager who was explained the other problems I had just experienced with Wal-Mart, and told I was in a hurry.

He made me wait 10 minutes while he “investigated” the issue, then essentially accused the customer of lying, then gave me a lousy $1.23 discount on the cake. They sure know how to make a person feel marginal.

I feel like Wal-Mart makes customers “earn” the discount, instead of quickly admitting their mistakes and quickly rectifying them. I wasn’t screaming or yelling or cursing or degrading: I just said what the problem was and asked for a remedy.

Perhaps this was our fault. Apparently we shopped at the wrong store: Wal-Mart. We are endeavoring since then to not make that mistake again.


I know this post is supposed to be about “complaints”, but I’d like to share a good experience I recently had with the Pizza Hut on Anderson. I believe sharing the good experiences we’ve had with a local business is just as important as sharing our dissatifaction.

Sunday night I called in my order for delivery and was told it would be 30-40 minutes. We always order from this store as we’re only 5 minutes away and we’ve always received our order under 20 minutes. After 50 minutes I give them a call back asking about our order. They apologized and said they were running behind because one of their drivers didn’t show up. I asked if I could just come and pick up the order myself and he said that’d be fine. When I got there I noticed 8 pizza’s waiting to be delivered. The manager apoologized and then gave me my pizza for free plus he threw in an order of cheese stix and extra sauce.
I can understand when something like this happens, as it’s out of their control, so I didn’t have a problem paying for the pizza. But this man went above and beyond the call of duty, which is why we will continue to frequent this Pizza Hut.


COMMUNITY CARE IS RUDE & UNPROFESSIONAL.

Community Care on Channing Way pulled an under handed trick. My 3 year old son pulled his elbow out of socket and was screaming in pain….as this had never happened before we did not know exactly what the problem was. We rushed him to Community Care…there were 2 other people in the lobby waiting….I checked us in at 2:40 p.m. They had us wait while he was screaming and crying…the other people even told the receptionist to take him back as they were not in immediate pain….at 2:50 p.m. I went back up and pleaded with them to take him back and help him. The receptionist told me they would get to me when they could and acted like I was putting her out by asking. I could see the Doctor in the back just standing there writing notes….he wasn’t treating anyone…all the while my son was still screaming. My wife said, let’s get him over to EIRMC…she started to leave with my son in tow….just moving him caused more pain.

She made it out to the car and I asked her to let me go in and try to see if they would see him as we would probably have to wait at EIRMC too. I went back in and spoke with the nurse…she said to bring him back in and they would take him back. I thanked her and went to bring him back in. He was still crying as we brought him back in. The nurse had us come back. I thought that finally we could get him some relief. The nurse shuts the door and proceeds to ream us out for upseting the receptionist and the other patrons in the lobby! She tells me that the Doctor on duty told her to tell us to leave and go over to EIRMC. We were stunned. They called us back in so to lecture us and then kick us out!

Needless to say, we left, went over to EIRMC. They took us right in and the doctor immediately treated him for nurse maid’s elbow. He even took the time to show me how to fix this problem if it should occur again. EIRMC has received alot of bad press in the past. However, in this instance, they really shined.

COMMUNITY CARE WILL NOT GET MY BUSINESS AGAIN. They were rude, unprofessional and caused more pain and suffering.


Mike…I hate to say it…but for something like that, you should have taken him directly to EIRMC! Community Care and walk in clinics like that, are not for emergencies such as the one you had. Community Care places are for cuts and scrapes, colds, etc. NON emergency situations.
If you son was in such pain and had pulled his arm out of socket like you explained, anybody would have known to go directly to the emergency room.

You really can’t place the blame on a walk in clinic in this instance.


Ehhhh, he probably should have gone to the emergency room, but the community care employees sound like they were rude about it.

If they wanted to make their point, they could have done it in the parking lot while they were loading up, not called him back to make the point while the kid was screaming.

In fact shouldn’t they have told him immediately to do that when they first got in the waiting room?


These days, CC might also have been more expensive than the ER at EIRMC. CC isn’t the economical Doc in the Box.


I agree. The staff at CC could have been a little more accomidating and not so rude with their comments. I’ve gone to that clinic on a couple occasions and everyone there was very nice to me. Who knows? Everybody has a bad day from time to time, but that’s no excuse.

The point is, Walk-In Clinic types are not hospitals and people should realize this. I only frequent these when I can’t get in to my primary care physician and it’s a non-emergency which doesn’t warrant a hospital visit.
Sorry for your bad experience Mike. It must have been very frustrating at the time it was happening.


Teton Wireless’s internet is slow and unreliable. Reminds of an earlier post by Joe about Keyon.

My mother had Teton for internet. It got to where she could only access the internet at night. During the day she got constant time outs. She spent many hours on the phone with Teton Wireless and they sent techs out to work on it as well. They all claimed their service was fine and it was her computer that broken. So I got involved and explained how I’d tried hooking up my computer to her internet and had the same problem (which was true). They didn’t listen. We borrowed a laptop and hooked it up and still coudn’t get service. They still didn’t listen.

Finally she dumped Teton and got Microserv. And her computer, which was broken according to Teton, now surts the internet with ease.


Eastern Idaho Medical Center: My son broke his arm while riding his bike. After taking the 20 minute drive to the hospital, I checked him in, provided all of the necessary insurance information and while he was in great pain waited for a period of 3 hours in the waiting room. Several other non emergency cases were taken, and even the check in staff became concerned with the length of time that we had to wait.. They were not overly busy, however they could have at least allowed the child to be placed in a room to aid him in understanding that help was coming. Instead we waited in the waiting room watching the television until someone decided it was time to provide him with “Emergency” care. When this was brought to the attention of Administration after care had been given, there was no follow up to cure the problem so other families are not vicitimized by the lack of care that was provided in this or other cases.


Verizon Wireless

They are my cell phone carrier and have been for about three years now. For the first two years I suffered from continuous dropped calls and no signals on my phone in the neighborhood around my residence but it worked fine everywhere else. I spoke with about ten different customer service reps at their main office here in town about the problem and they basically accused me of making it up since my phone always worked perfectly at their office. One day a service rep finally admitted that there is a huge dead zone on the west side of town caused by the airport. He went on to say that certain phones are affected worse than others and a few phones are nearly useless there. I had one of these latter phones. When I was finally eligible to upgrade my phone I did so and asked the sale person about the dead zone. They knew about it but apparently they aren’t supposed to volunteer that it exists because it might hurt business. Regardless they pointed me to a phone that would work there and for the most part I actually can use my cell phone now at home. But I shouldn’t have had to go through two years of misery with my phone when the real problem was known.


Verizon Wireless:
I have been with Verizon for 8 years. After moving to the area I began to have daily dropped calls. After customer rep said that the phone could cure the problem a new one was purchased. More dropped calls. When they sent a tech to the area they said that the area was marginal, but would not do anything to boost the signal. When talking to another rep I was told that they would not guarantee phone calls inside a building. I laughed and said that they were suggesting that I go outside each time I received a call? Even outside the calls were dropped inside the City within eyesight of the tower. The point is that Verizon has become so big that they fail to understand the consumers perspective of having a working phone, especially if you are using it for business. And if you plan on going into the 17th street facility for help, plan on waiting for a long time, and hope that you get one of five people who know what they are talking about.


Guest #19 It sure is hard to see someone we love have to wait in the E.R. waiting room. Probably, it’s hardest with kids.

Given that your son had broken his arm, did the E.R. attending or the on-call Orthopedic Surgeon see him?

I have no idea what happened, but do know if the E.R. staff called a consultant and the surgeon was already in surgery, they couldn’t make that surgery end any sooner.

It would be interesting to know what type of physician cared for your son (and who saw him in follow up).

EIRMC has a really interesting design for an E.R. compared to dozens I’ve seen. I like it far better than the traditional box shaped 3-4 halls. The angles partially shield people who didn’t have as serious of problems from those who arrived in ambulances and helicopters with life-threatening problems. Also, it’s my understanding that some less acute injuries and illness go more in one section than another.

It is hard to tell what “busy” is, given what patients are in the other rooms. Some staff may have been free but physicians not. It may not have just been waiting on an orthopedic surgeon to look at your son, but also waiting on other specialists that the PAs, or Physicians didn’t feel could be left alone until the specialist arrived.

It’s almost impossible to know what patients needed what services before your son and in what rooms those patients could be seen. If someone was dilusional and a psychiatrist was called in, I’m rather certain that person would be in a confined area so other patients wouldn’t be upset by him/her. Yet, until the person told the physician what was wrong, the nobody else could rank the accuity.

Or, it is possible that prior to your arrival someone had died in the E.R. and the staff didn’t appear as busy as other details had to be taken care of. Again, one or maybe two rooms might have been sealed off so the rest of the E.R. was not subjected to what another family was experiencing.

All I’m saying is in a designated trauma center E.R., it is hard to know what happened. When we’re the ones waiting, it sure feels like we’re not important and maybe we’ve been forgotten. The staff may not be at liberty to say anything given both confidentiality and HIPPA laws.

Nonetheless, if you didn’t get satisfaction with any written complaints you sent, send them again. You might want to acknolwedge you understand federal laws have changed and they can’t address the patients prior to your son. However, that does NOT stop you from sharing your view as a parent.

Send a copy to the Hospital CEO, Doug Crabtree, and if your son was ONLY treated by the E.R. doctros, call and find out who the president of the group is now and send that doctor a copy of the letter as well.

Good luck in your journey. I’m sure you will help other kids down the road. Sometimes the long waits just can’t be avoided. And maybe there were specific reasons your son couldn’t have been put in an ortho room, but maybe there was a room he could have gone to, I don’t know. Then again as a parent, do you want your child moved 2-3 times before treatment?

But, the issue of how to better help children wait in the E.R. (for any reason) is an excellent one. I like you being proactive.


Wal-Mart at Taylor Crossing (Westside).

Needed those little scissors where the pointy tips curve a little bit, like using on fingernails/cuticles.

Asked girl employee in pharmacy area. She stared at me for several seconds like I was an idiot, crunched her forehead, and told me scissors are in the crafts area, like I’m a moron and should have known better.

I knew she was clueless, but sometimes so am I. Crafts area did NOT have those scissors.

Went up and down every pharmacy aisle looking for those scissors. Not so easy since there was a long line at the pharmacy pickup counter, stretching back into the aisles. There was also a huge liquid spill in the middle of the area where you go place your pharmacy orders.

Walmart employees all around, but nobody seemed to notice or care about the customers or the large liquid spill. I shoulda slipped and sued, huh?

Passed that girl again. She was complaining to another employee about something. Her voice sounded like she had a defect. I begin to feel sorry for her instead of anger.

Found those scissors in the makeup aisle. THE MAKEUP AISLE.

The GIRL walmart employee did not know those scissors were in the MAKEUP AISLE.

Incredibly, when I first asked her about the scissors, we were ONE aisle away from the MAKEUP AISLE.

Incredibly, I found TWO aisles containing scissors in pharmacy. The department this girl was working straightening shelves.

So are Wal-Mart employees incredibly stupid or incredibly rude?


Well Joe, do you still think employees like that should make 15.00 an hour?

This irritates me. People say Wal-mart pays chronically low wages. Well where else is this idiot going to work!? And you know what? She has health benefits! Yep! Yes she does! For her and her kids! Life insurance, disability. All she really has to do is put the freight in the right place! What more do you want a company to give? By the way, those who work in Pharmacy, don’t work in Health and Beauty also known as MAKEUP! They have seperate people who clean the floors, including spills! How do you know she hadn’t already called for a clean-up?! Huh Joe?!


You got me there on the wage issue, this employee definitely did not deserve more.

Besides putting freight in place, these employees are expected to answer customer questions on where items are in the store. If they don’t know, they are to ask someone else. I’ve worked retail, too, and I remember that much of it.

Perhaps makeup is a separate department and thus universe from the pharmacy universe, and that might be my mistake. I did ask her the first time when we were the aisle next to makeup, which I think was a shampoo aisle, which is again still health and beauty isn’t it?

Besides working in the department or next to it, I’ll go ahead and voice my stereotype that I believe women generally are more aware of the products on the makeup aisle more than men. Disagree?

Maybe she had called for a cleanup. I don’t know that. I doubt it because she actually wasn’t ever over by the spilled area. Perhaps the pharmacists called for a cleanup. Don’t they usually have those orange/yellow cones in every department to place over spills, to warn customers? Those can be deployed in 10 seconds.

This is the same pharmacy where I’ve noticed other customer service shortfalls.


If you have experienced bad service at the same store on more than one occasion, do you still go there? Why? I wouldn’t. I haven’t shopped at a Walmart in years and my life hasn’t suffered any.


I just discoverd I could have qualified for a PRIME home loan but Legacy mortgage stuck me with a SUB-PRIME loan that costs much more. We had other aggravating issues at the time of purchase with them, now I find this. Don’t use Legacy mortage, on holmes.


Keith, I know, I’m an idiot to keep shopping there. What was I getting? A bag of potting soil, two gallons of milk, and those little scissors where the tips curve out a little.

I guess I keep shopping at stupid-mart because it’s the all-in-one convenience. Where else am I going to get those things in one stop, and not pay an outrageous sum?

Should we shop elsewhere and burden ourselves with more stops and higher payments, or should we just demand some minimum customer service levels?

I don’t know what happened before or after I was there. All I know is the girl was really rude to me, and was not trained enough or smart enough to know the scissors I described were the next aisle from where we were standing, there was a long line of impatient people at the pharmacy, and there was a huge liquid spill in the middle of the pharmacy without being cleaned up and the employees did not appear to be doing anything about it.

I will just demand some minimum customer service levels. These local store managers may not read IFz and may not care even if they did.

The corporate executives in Arkansas do scour blog posts about their stores though, and they will hear the complaints even if the local store management doesn’t care.


I don’t have a complaint but does anyone here want to recommend, or not recommend, a good business to install automatic sprinklers in our yard?

Or, to stick with the subject, tell me if you have any legitimate complaints against any sprinkler business and I will cross them off our list. Thanks ahead of time.


I had Seasons West put in my system and they did a top notch job. Used quality sprinkler heads and timer. Were done in one day. That was about 6 years ago and I haven’t had one problem. The were competitively priced too


The Idaho Falls Chukars are not East Idaho Business Friendly. They are taking alot of their advertising business out of state. We just bought them a new ballpark and they are going outside the area to save a few bucks. It’s wrong and Kevin Green should be ashamed of himself. They want our support but they have no loyalty to local businesses.


are the local ad agencies much more expensive than what can be had out of state?


Mike-
So are they not advertising with you? What do you offer locally? The Chukars usually do not pay for advertising anyway.

The ballpark is for the city. The Chukars maintain it, but the high schools and Am Legion use the ballpark.


It’s about the vendors that they choose to use…they are using vendors out of state at the expense of local businesses just to save a few dollars.


Joe,
In reference to your #28 post. Your comments reflect the problems that downtown Idaho Falls is having. I refer to “….it’s the all-in-one convenience”, and “Should we shop elsewhere and burden ourselves with more stops and higher payments…..”

Not picking on you, but buying from locally owned businesses is good for everyone.


I wish I could support local businesses more often.

I described buying 2 gallons of milk, potting soil, and the unique scissors.

I could have gotten the milk at Reed’s, and we usually do. Reed’s can get really slammed in the evenings though, and I’ve experienced very spotty service at their drive-through. Reeds also does not accept debit card, so that would have meant an ATM trip or digging out the checkbook.

What would be one stop. I could have stopped at Rocknack’s for the soil.

The little scissors? Maybe the Ben Franklin, but Wal-Mart had these scissors in the pharmacy aisle so … maybe Albertson’s, but they are hardly locally owned in Idaho anymore.

I wish I could support more local businesses, but three stops, three transactions, just for $20 in purchases?

I wish we could have a locally-owned mega-mart. I would shop there for the convenience.


But, post #34, if I am running a business, I would also buy from the vendor who gave me the best product for the best price. In state or out of state, whatever saves or makes me money because that’s how you run a business.

Now, if local vendors were willing to at least match outside offers, I bet he would consider their offer!
So why is he getting better offers elsewhere and not here? Anyone? To keep business local or in Idaho you have to compete and be willing to match their offer if you can afford it.


You are correct poster #37, except one crucial piece of information. The business uses a city owned facility, i.e. Melaluca Field. This isn’t a private business run on private property. They use our tax dollars to make a buck. In turn, within reason, they should give preference to local businesses that are within a range of competitive pricing.


Well that goes back to the previous question, should our tax dollars be favored towards helping local businesses or towards getting the best value?

The complaint was made about BCSO patronizing a former deputy for uniform services, the complaint being the appearance of a good old boy system rewarding the good old boys.

If we have our city prioritizing local services regardless of cost, we have the appearance of the good old boy patronage system going on, right?

How about a rule that the city prefers best value over local business, unless the difference is less than 5-10% of the total cost?


I thought we were finished getting birthday cakes from the Wal-Mart corporation, after the three-strike fiasco with my son’s birthday cake last May.

My wife said she wanted to try Sam’s Club for our daughter’s birthday last weekend. They went in a week early, and my daughter picked out the cake she wanted. My wife went in the day of to pick it up, and they had lost the order. We had to get one on display and have them mangle it to be somewhat like what our daughter had ordered.

I don’t think Wal-Mart employees are so dumb, but I believe Wal-Mart’s system malfunctions in a way so employees will not perform.

My wife has said she will look at cake-decorating classes and will do these herself from now on. I warn ye all against trusting any wal-mart outlet with your family’s birthday cakes; ye shall be sorely and unnecessarily aggravated and disappointed if ye do.


Just wanted to give a plug for Albertsons B-day cakes. I’ve never had a problem with an order mixup and we have used them dozens of times.


Kudos to Dennings. Over the past 3 years, I have purchased a dishwasher, stove, refrigerator and just today a washer and dryer from them. For all of these purchases I visited other stores in the area — Lowes, Home Depot, Sears and Sams. Dennings gave me the best deal, hassle free, free delivery, take out and carry off of the old items and you get the plus of patronizing local businesses. I would recommend that everyone at least check them out before buying any appliances.


Awesome, and this year they fixed up their storefront to look much better on the Broadway/Yellowstone intersection.


Does Denning’s have a website? I need all new appliances. Thanks in Advance :)


These are just my opinions and what experience has taught me, but I find it helpful when others share, so here, for what it’s worth, are my recommendations.
PLACES THAT HAVE THE CUSTOMER SERVICE THING FIGURED OUT: Smittys, O’Dells, Cardons Car
Wash, Albertsons on Broadway, (the managers are fantastic), the IF Public Library and Eastgate Drug.
Two places to avoid like the plague,if you don’t want horrible service after the friendly sale, are Oakridge Furniture and Wall to Wall carpeting. If you want details I will provide. Also to avoid over-the-top-friendly, waitresses-on-steroids, stay away from 5 and Diner. They are way too chirpy for our dining experience.
Also, K-Mart employees do not seem to be trained to help customers locate items. Most act indifferent and irritated if asked, so I go to Walmart.


I purchased a coffee table from oakridge furniture and got a great deal and great service. The sales people were not pushy and they got us in and out of there in no time at all.
I also love the 5 & Diner and go there often because the waitresses are so nice. (can’t understand your thought process on that one)


Verizon 17th Street. A few months ago I purchased a new cellular phone which has a 1 year warranty. The phone froze and would not accept or dial calls. Called customer service who suggested to take it to the Service Center on 17th Street. Upon bringing it in to the local “Tech” she immediately examined the phone and said that there was a scratch on the screen and that invalidated the warranty. She would be more than happy to give me a replacement at 50.00. I explained that the scratch did not affect the the internal components and that the scratch had been there since the phone was purchased. She would not budge and was not even willing to look at the phone to see why the problem was occurring. Not wanting to give Verizon, especially this store an extra 50.00 bucks, I took the phone home and called the service line who got the phone working without having to replace the unit due to a small scratch. I wonder if local mechanics could use this tactic to their advantage, you have a computer problem with the on board computer in your car, but your windshield has a crack in it from a rock. They refuse to check the computer chip problem unless you have your windshield replaced first??


SEARS

I tried to buy some stuff there with my credit card. The manager would not accept it because I had not signed it and instead put please see ID on it. Even when I showed my ID that showed I was the same person he still wouldn’t take it unless I signed the credit card. I know it says on the back of them that they aren’t valid unless signed but I will not sign my credit cards until the day comes when all stores begin checking ID on all checks and credit card uses. It many seem like a hassle to you but you don’t know what a hassle is until you’ve had your checks or credit cards stolen and then had stores gleefully accept them from the people who stole them when if they would merely check ID it wouldn’t happen. .


SEARS:
Post #48 explained a situation in which I experienced also. Due to identity theft issues, I also have my card showing “see I.D.” and the manager who was less than professional would not accept payment even though there was ample Identification to clearly show who I was. The manager actually did me a favor, due to the fact I went to another store who gladly accepted my payment and saved a considerable amount of money. By the way Corporate was informed of this managers conduct and indicated that there had been other concerns that were aired.


I’ve always done the “Please check picture ID” on mine and never had trouble, but I’ve heard some stores are trying to be silly about it.

Really, the card is not valid huh? The card won’t swipe, the company won’t verify, the store doesn’t get paid because I want an ounce more security by not signing the card? Identity theft is a much bigger issue than an unsigned credit card, and they are being silly to think they are “tackling the problem” in this manner.


I don’t sign any of my credit cards. I use the “See ID” caption also. I’ve never had a problem. But, I have never tried to use it at Sears. Maybe I’ll give it a try to see what my experience is like. Since K-Mart and Sears are now owned by the same entity, does K-Mart also have the same issue?


Go into the local post office and you’ll see a sign stating they will not accept credit cards with “see ID” written on the back.

Speaking of business complaints, don’t ever use Benny’s Lawn Care service. Big nice yellow page ad but they come up really short in finishing a job, showing up on time, doing what they agree to do, I could go on and on. I highly suspect most of their employees are illegal on top of it.


Hmmm, a mom. You HIGHLY suspect most of Benny’s employees are illegal? And you base that on what?

Skin color? Language spoken? Your super x-ray vision that saw into their alien souls?

I’m just curious how you can make that assumption. Your poor experience with them is a valid point, but the other ‘on top of it’ piece really didn’t seal the deal for me.


Regarding the post by 5861 and good customer service - I would definitely NOT place Cardon’s in the “good” category. In fact my family has stopped doing any business there at all due to various damages done to our vehicles and the pathetic attitude of the so-called manager who denies any responsibility for his employee’s actions. I even tried the BBB complaint route after the last bit of damage to our car and he did exactly what I expected: NOTHING. So that is what they will get from me from now on - nothing. I now wash my all my vehicles elsewhere and buy gas elsewhere and save a ton of money in both places! So I guess I should actually thank them for blowing me off.


Speaking of blowing customers off - has anybody had a local building crafts contractor actually SHOW UP to do a job?? I have never seen such careless disregard for common business sense (or common courtesy). If a contractor is too busy to take on more jobs they should say so up front, not lie their way into the job then simply vanish! What kind of idiocy is this? I’ve had this happen probably 9 out of 10 times. They seem to consider this business as usual in Idaho. And some of the ones who DO show up, you usually wish hadn’t after the rushed, screwed up mess they leave behind.

One that showed up AND did great work - Morgans - got the job and will get any and all work we have done in the future. They got the project done on time and to my exact specs. Very professional!


CAKES: Luckily…I have not had a bad experience w/cakes. Actually Sam’s Club mistakenly put 50 instead of 60 years for my mother’s birthday cake..I did not notice but she was EXTREMELY HAPPY!! One way to make someone feel 10 years younger-while consuming calories and chocolate!!
DENTAL OFFICES: I just have to say the very best office in town is EAGLE ROCK DENTAL CARE on Woodruff. Believe me my friends and family have tried them all and have all gone back to see Dr. Steve, Dr. Doug, and Dr Cooper (they have some other docs too that i haven’t met, yet) They are open early, late, and Fridays (almost unheard of in the dental community). They seem to be very reasonable as far as price, they work out payment plans if you need to. These doctors seem very honest and don’t over treat/upsale. My parents my siblings and many of my friends all go there. None of us have had a bad experience. My kids LOVE to go (weird). One time I had to wait for about 20 minutes and they gave me a gift certificate to appoligize (they must not go to any other doctor’s office-as my waiting experiences have been much much longer!!) The office is very clean/sterile but the staff is warm and friendly, great customer centered service. The dental hygienists do a great job at cleaning teeth, too. Our whole family (6 of us) can go in and have our teeth cleaned in under 2 hours as they have at least 4 or 5 girls working at the same time (my husband usually chooses the gentler one-this ususally mean the cutest one!!) Oh yeah, they have this CARI-FREE program that has prety much STOPPED ALL CAVITIES in our house..WOW (may be this means Dr. Steve is trying to retire so he’s letting out the SECRET to reducing his work load!!) They even have an office in Rexburg which is nice for one of my kids going to school there. Any how, EAGLE ROCK DENTAL CARE is a safe bet!


I have wasted countless hours emailing and calling Cable One tech support and spoken to the local support manager about my slow internet speed problem and have been given nothing but the run around. They keep denying there is a problem and claim “it must be your modem”. I just happened to run across the REAL story while doing research on nationwide service issues. It appears I have been lied to from the start and all Cable One internet customers are now intentionally being ripped off.

Cable One just had a drastic change in their internet service that they appear to be denying to customers even though it is published on their website (deeply buried in an obscure location). They now throttle back bandwidth to HALF of the advertised speed you are paying for from 12 noon to midnight! In fact, my connection is more realistically about one third of what I pay for.
The link is here:
http://www.cableone.net/internet/limits.htm

This is blatant FRAUD as far as I’m concerned. They advertise, and charge for, the full rated speeds:
http://www.cableone.net/internet/plans.asp

I’m currently gathering information to forward to the Idaho Attorney General’s office for a complaint. If you want to check your own speed to see how much you’re being shorted, check out the following speed test links:

http://myaccount.cableone.net
Go to My Plan, then My Speed Test. It will do a local area and main internet test.

http://speakeasy.net/speedtest
Run Seattle, San Francisco, LA and NY.

http://www.dslreports.com/stest
Click on Flash 8 speed test. Run San Francisco and Palo Alto tests.

http://www.speedtest.net - The Global Broadband Speed Test
Click the world map to test any location on the planet.


#53 - valid question to my post #52 although it’s completely off topic. How did I dare guess their employees just might be illegal? Let’s see, we couldn’t communicate with any of them, except one, the owner. None seemed to know what they were doing until the owner ran around showing them how to do dig and lay sprinkler lines. It was like they were randomly plucked from the streets to work. Only two (of about 10) had a driver’s license (so we were told), thus the transportation issue they had getting to and from our house!! Not to mention the absolute crappy job they did that had to be fixed by someone else. We didn’t pay the balance owed since they abandoned the job before it was finished! Now why wouldn’t a reputable business with a great yellow page ad come back and expect final payment, much less finish a job? We had to call them to see if they were going to show up several days, and finally gave up, realizing they were screwing up more than putting in a good system. We had some of our yard tools walk off too.

Just trying to warn others to beware, the owner comes off as knowledgeable with guarantees of experience and top notch work, even boasts All-American landscaping sends them their overflow. The actual product is far from wonderful. From what we saw - a group of junior high kids with an instruction manual could have done a better job installing a sprinkler system than they did.


If Junior High kids could have done the job, why didn’t you just do it yourself?
We understand you’re not happy with your service, but there’s no need to exaggerate.


No exaggerations here “Jose”. Some of us have full time jobs and young children to take care of, so we hire “professionals” for some things. But thanks for asking, and I’ll keep your suggestion in mind for next time! When a contractor tells you they can do the job no problem, we tend to trust them to finish it and do it well as PROMISED and AGREED upon. Guess we were wrong! They’re actually lucky we haven’t filed legal action against them and chose to clean up their mess ourselves. We still could though. Too bad complaints to BBB don’t amount to much, post #54 relays what often happens. Many contractors in SE Idaho operate off a much different mind set of professional ethics and responsibillity and would never cut it in a more competitive market. Post #55 is what I know at least half a dozen people in our area have gone through. We had bids scheduled for another job, to which 3 guys didn’t bother showing up or calling to cancel. I wonder if these types hurt the good guys. Thus the reason for this thread!

Back on topic, cableone seems to be less than honest with subscribers if I am reading post #57 correctly. Before we changed providers we were not happy with cableone for several reasons. If you are not stuck in a contract, you may be better off switching. We’ve been much happier since with a faster connection.


I really have to strongly discourage anyone from getting into that Keyon wireless internet service.

I got it because Qwest sucked and Keyon was cheap. It delivered the 1.5 mb speed as promised (which Qwest could not despite promised) for several months, but then it started going really bad. Each night it would slow to a crawl and often drop off completely. I had to reboot my system numerous times each day, they swapped out every single piece of equipment and nothing improved. Finally they agreed to let me out of the contract early due to admitting their failure to deliver service for several months.

But alas not the end of the story there. I still got billed the following month and they never came by to remove the equipment. I’ve called a few times and they keep saying they will refund the money and send someone by for the equipment. I finally got on the roof and took it down myself because I did not want to wait around for four hours with a no-show again, and I wanted to patch the holes in my roof from their antenna before the snow came.

Yesterday I called several times, hit the first 1 option for sales, and each time kept getting dumped into someone’s voicemail box instead of to the sales department. Finally someone answered, they said the person who would refund me the money was new and probably missed it, and they had no way to tell the local guy that their equipment is sitting on the side of my garage for the past six weeks waiting for them to pick up any time without appointment. I anticipate this is not over yet, especially if that equipment gets stolen.

Keyon has some friendly employees on the phone (when their system lets you talk to one) and installers, but the company is obviously being mismanaged and cannot function well. Do not go with Keyon for service.


Target is becoming annoying. Employees continually ask you, “Can I help you find something?” Yesterday, I got hit up approximately 13 times in 1/2 and hour. I complained to the manager about being invaded. He told me that that is what they are trained to do. (Probably true….but annoying)


I’ve always had a great shopping experience at Target. When I ask for help, they are right on it, and if the one who asked can’t or doesn’t know the answer, they get someone else pronto. Never have felt they were pushy. Granted, I haven’t shopped there in quite a while, and don’t shop there very often because they are clear across town from me. Maybe their policy has changed.


it is annoying and one of the reasons I stopped going there about 6 months ago. Their products are more expensive and pushy salespeople. I don’t need somebody asking if I need help when I’m going in to buy some toothpaste and paper towels!


That’s a tightrope for retailers to walk. On one hand customers complain they can never find help, on the other they complain they are getting bugged with too many help offers.

I’d prefer the problem of too much help myself.


Taco Time on I-15 MP113 Exit in new Chevron Complex. Went into the new business in attempts of supporting the South Side of Idaho Falls. Pulled up to the drive through placed an order for myself and two children. 1 other car in line. After waiting 20 minutes in the drive through sent my kid in to see what the delay was. There were no customers inside the manager a very masculine chick told the kid, well we have to cook it and offered no reason why it was taking so long. After another 10 minutes, I came inside and asked if there was a problem and received the same response. Both she and the window clerk made no attempt to produce the order or apologize for the delay. When leaving a message for the owner, he never did call back. We have taken our business elsewhere, and this should not reflect badly on the other Taco Time Franchises which normally have friendly service and timely delivery


I would have to put Blackers Furniture into the the same category as Target. I hate going there and after our last experience wont go back. We told the salesman we were just looking and would let him know if we needed anything. The guy followed us like a hawk, if we paused to look at something he would run up and try to join our conversation. I was afaid to even talk becuase if he heard a word he would jump in and asked if we liked this model. Finally my wife told him we were just looking and would let him know if we had any question. He still followed like a bad spy trying to stay in the shadows, as soon as we stopped, there he was again. We just left. Bought a couch at Oakridge, even though we liked the one we saw a Blackers better. We just couldn’t deal with this vulture salesman.


Ate at Olive Garden. The stupid waiter literally ruined the whole experience by being so overly chatty and friendly. The guy never shut up. All I want from my waiter is quick and reliable service. I don’t care about your family, I don’t care about where you went to school, I don’t care about you. Sorry but its true. I want food and I want to spend quality time with the person I’m with. I don’t want to hear about you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, and more you. Give me my food and go away.


Phase 4 stereo is a pretty good place. It used to be on the Northgate Mile, but moved to 17th Street, near K mart. I’ve been buying stuff there since 1994, and have never been dissapointed.


I have found furniture store employees to be the most annoying when they work on commission. This goes for any sales position in local stores. Those not earning commission border between bored and helpful. The others can be obnoxious at times. Blackers, Ashley Furniture, Sears, and Furniture Row all are guilty of over-helpfulness at times, I don’t know who of them works on commission.


Computer store salesman are the most annoying to me. I don’t claim to be a computer expert but I know what all the numbers mean when talking about a computer’s specs. So I certainly know what it is I’m looking for when I go in for a computer. And I certainly know enough to know the differences in quality between brands. I told the salesman repeatedly that I would only need help if I decided to make purchase and I didn’t need him otherwise. Yet he still hovered over me treating me like I was a complete noob with computers explaining things to me that I already knew like what 2048 SDRAM meant and was good for. I realize many people are mystified by computers and appreciate that help but in my case the salesman lost a sale because he wouldn’t leave me alone.


Tunex: Idaho Falls.
Brought in a car with low miles to have a standard tune up completed. Appointment was made and told it would only take a few hours to complete. After employees had worked on the vehicle, a number of other things were damaged during the process. The cost rose to 4 times the original amount. When talking to the owner they did not take responsibility for the damage that was created by the mechanic. Buyer Beware


Great customer service at Albertsons in Ammon - Recently I had surgery and consequently have a back brace that I must wear for 2 to 3 months. My first trip out of my home was to Albertsons to pick up a few items. I was barely a week post-op and alone. I collected my items and headed for check out. Now mind you, I was quite emotional for a couple of weeks, and I’m not supposed to bend, twist, etc. I had difficulty loading my items on the counter and about 1/2 through, realized I forgot milk. The struggle of getting my items on the counter was enough and I was on the verge of tears wondering, Now what am I gonna do? The clerk took one look at me, asked me what I needed. I told her I forgot milk as my eyes watered with tears. She raced back to grab the milk, called someone to help me out and away I went. About a week later when I was feeling better I went back in and thanked her. A couple of days later, I picked up a few more things and this time a gentleman was the cashier. He carefully loaded each bag so that none were more than a pound or two and offered assistance out. Everything that we take for granted (like tying your shoe or showering) has been far more difficult in recent weeks. But without exception, when I’ve had to shop, they’ve been awesome.


Just FYI for everyone: in addition to Joe’s ideas about contacting Better Business and internet-kvetching, (I love that!), remember you can always file a small-claims case if you have actually lost money (ie damages). Your county courthouse has all the paperwork and the clerks can help you fill out your complaint; service of process is handled by the Sheriff’s office, as part of the filing. It is easy and painless, and if you truly have been cheated out of money or if your contract has been breached, and it is less than 5,000, access to small claims court (IE NO LAWYERS INVOLVED!!) is a valuable tool. Here is a link to the Bonneville County/Seventh Judicial District’s Small Claims website, which contains interactive forms:

http://www.courtselfhelp.idaho.gov/smclaims.asp

I have referred many clients with smaller claims to this system with great results.


Can we sue a national company in small claims court?

I had considered taking Qwest and Dish to small claims court because of their ridiculousness in canceling my accounts (it did cause monetary and credit report issues for many months until they finally cleared them up).


Great question….yes, as long as they are subject to “personal jurisdiction” of the courst of Idaho, usually by transacting business in the state of Idaho. Usually have a registered agent to accept service of process (check the Secretary of State’s website….you can search their database)


oops I meant “courts” not “courst”…whatever that means ha ha


I have been renting a townhouse in Ammon for the last 3 yrs.I have been paying the property rental co. each month for utiilties that I thought included water, garbage and sewage.It is just sewage. Ammon City Water left a shut off notice on my door Oct. 18th threatening to shut off my water for $100.00 and a $100.00 deposit fee if this occured. I have NEVER received an invoice billing from these people. I went to their office to try and get things straightened out and was forced to sign an agreement to pay them $140.00 plus my current months billing on top of that. They gave me 6 months to pay the accrued sum of the 3 years which is over $800.00.This error was found due to an audit that was conducted of their office.I was laid off the very day that I went to their office due to my job relating to the mtg.market and signed under duress, not knowing what to do. My first payment is due in 8 days and If I miss it; they will shut my water off. Please advise….


Sorry to hear that Kareie!
Obviously Ammon is set up differently than IF, because my bill has the Electric, water & sewage altogether which comes from Idaho Power.
I really don’t know what you can do about this, other than try to speak with a supervisor today and tell them your situation. But from what you wrote, it looks like they already set up a payment plan with you. The problem is, you signed their paperwork telling them you would make these payments, it’s up to you to follow through. It’s not their fault that you lost your job. Since you can’t afford the payment, you probably can’t afford an attorney. However, most attorneys offer the initial consultation free, so it might help to contact one and ask their advice on what to do. Other than that, all you can do is go back and speak with a Supervisor there, but it looks like you may be stuck having to pay the bill regardless.
Good luck & let us know what happens. Perhaps somebody else can provide some advice on what to do?


I think you should look into suing them to discharge the accrued bill.

That they did not bill you for 3 years is their problem, not yours. Don’t let them try to make their mistake into your mistake.

As much as we consumers need to be responsible for our bills, these companies need to be responsible for their screw-ups also.


Good point Joe


If you have a written contract, I would check that and see what it says about utilities. Does it specify sewage only, or does it say utilities? Then if the contract backs you, maybe a call to the Rental Agency and/or Better Business Bureau?

I agree with Joe that the 3 year screw up is theirs and not yours but you ultimately will probably become responsible for it. I also heard once that if you are behind in your bills and are making an effort to pay them by making payments each month that there’s not much they can do to you as long as payments are consistently being made. But this should probably be worked out with a supervisor in advance. I would think they would rather accept a $50 monthly payment — more if you can afford it, less if you cannot — instead of running the risk of not getting paid at all or having to take you to court.

Good Luck to you. Keep us informed of what happens.


Kareie - In my own experience, the Ammon city offices seem to have some very incompetent people working there. They appear unable to do the simplest things like keeping track of records and billing. When I moved here I had to practically throw my money in their faces to convince them I should be paying Ammon utilities. They kept claiming my subdivision wasn’t in Ammon even though it was on every map and verified through the county! Then a couple of years ago they accused me of NOT paying my bill until I personally handed them the canceled check that proved they had cashed it. One of their geniuses had credited someone else’s account with my payment. And not so much as an apology from this ditz after essentially calling me a liar.

You should consult an attorney - the first visit should be free - and see what your legal obligations are since you did nothing wrong here. Don’t take the City’s word on anything.


The problem as I see it is twofold: one, did Kaerie ever have a legal obligation, contractual or otherwise, to the city of Ammon as a tenant of her apartment complex? The second and more bothersome issue, is does she NOW have an obligation to the city of Ammon because she signed an agreement in which she agreed to pay a set amount each month?

You are all correct in that Kareie needs to look to her lease agreement to see what she agreed to pay as “utilities” and how these were defined. That, clearly, is an agreement between her and the rental company or property owner. If they agreed to pay “utilities” for her, she does have a breach of contract action available against the rental agency or owner at this time for their failure to do what they promised (i.e., pay the utilities) over the past several years. However, that does not relieve her of the obligation to pay the City of Ammon as she agreed to do in the new contract. Her best bet for that is to seek to have the rental agency or owner pay her and then use that to pay her contract with the City, or to seek to have the rental company/owner accept assignment of the contract (although I be the City of Ammon has a clause prohibiting assignment in its contract with Kaerie); absent some form of incapicity to contract (i.e., being underage) she probably cannot have that contract “voided” but can certainly talk to someone at the City of Ammon to reduce her payments. If she truly received the services (i.e., utilities) she does, in fact, owe the city for the same, regardless of how sloppy their bookkeeping is.

My big concern would be to determine under her original lease, who was supposed to be paying the utilities at issue? That will definitely indicate what course of action, legal or otherwise, Kareie should pursue.

Good luck and let me know if you have any questions.


Big 5 Sporting Goods Ammon:
Recently a young man went into Big 5 to make a purchase of a jacket. He looked through the store and found a jacket that was suitable and within his price range. The rack that he retrieved the jacket from was marked as a sale rack with signs at both ends of the rack showing the sales price. Upon taking the jacket to the counter to pay for it, the price rang up as the regular price. He politely informed the clerk and pointed to the display sign showing the sales price. The clerk was friendly but had to ask the assistant manager Chris about the difference. Chris who had discovered his new found superiority in the store took the young man back to the rack and showed him the display price. Chris was not going to budge claiming that they did not have enough room on the rack for just sales items. It should be noted that all of the colors and designs were essentially the same. Chris was going to utilize his authority and failed to understand that Bait and Switch tactics are illegal. He could have made this a positive experience for the youth, but instead was cocky and arrogant. The youth refused to pay the price and then left to a competitor who offered a better jacket at a better price. Calls into the local store to talk with the manager went unanswered and corporate only has an answering machine. This is one of the problems so many people are shopping on line taking money outside of our area.


The other day we were in Kohl’s. I saw an elderly gentleman asking about the price on a therapist back massager. The female employee got on her call device and said loudly, “yeah I’ve got some guy here saying something about this massager is $xx.xx, do you know anything about that?”

I felt this was rude to the customer and poor customer service. I hope Kohl’s trains their employees better than this, and any other local businesses who notice their employees talking about customers in this manner.

(For those who do not see anything wrong with that, I think the proper way to rephrase that would be “I have a gentleman here who believes this massager is $xx.xx, can we verify the correct price please?”)

If our town’s economy is primarily service-oriented, then let’s at least have some good service.


During the busy holiday season I decided while I did my shopping to have my oil changed while shopping at Wal Mart. I have never been a big fan of either store in Idaho Falls as the employees are poorly trained and the managers amd co-managers do notknow how to handle simple situations. I left my car and was assured that they would call when it was done. After waiting an extended period of time we walked to the service area and saw it sitting outside. When I went to pay for the bill, I was told that the plug was snug and due to liability circumstances they would not change the oil. I asked why they had not called and received every exuse in the book. Now when you think of it if you are working in the pit and you want the day to go quicker, it would be easy to say that there is something wrong with the plug to help you get to your coffee break. Took it to another reliable place that had it done in 10 minutes without a problem. These are the type of busiensses that don’t care about the customer or even the employee, your time would be better spent somewhere else.


Apparently this is a chronic problem at Walmart. My sister-in-law said they told her the same thing, she immediately went over to Jiffy Lube, said the “last place” she went to told her the plug was too tight, and they knew it was Walmart without her identifying Walmart. They said they get lots of business from customers turned away from Walmart’s lube shop being too chicken to crank a tight plug open.

That tells me I have a 50-50 chance of wasting my time at Walmart if I want them to change my oil. I’m going somewhere else first rather than waste my time at Walmart.

Walmart excels when they enable customers to do things themselves, but Walmart fails miserably when customers have to get employees involved in the help.


I agree that in most cases Jiffy Lube could be trusted more than Walmart. But not always.

Last time after I had my truck serviced at Jiffy Lube I went and washed it the next day. While washing the tires I noticed that one of my tire valve stem caps was gone. Jiffy Lube had checked all of my tire pressures the previous day. I decided to check the remaining tire valve stem caps. Of the 3 that were still on the tires, 2 of them were barely started to be screwed on and the other one was on tight but it was cross-threaded! There were 4 valve stem caps on my truck and not one of them got put back on right. It really made me wonder if they screw up something that simple if they are competent to do anything else right. I had to go back to Jiffy Lube and have them give me a cap to replace the missing one.

Funny thing was I got a call from a survey company a few days later and it was a satisfaction survey for Jiffy Lube. I told them exactly what had happened, and after that I got a telephoned apology from the manager of the local store. But not until I had taken their satisfaction survey.


Maybe it’s just me, but I personally think everyone should know how to and want to change their own oil in their vehicles.(as long as their physically able to do so) I’ve been changing my own oil since I was 16 and not only is it much cheaper than any garage or Jiffy Lube, etc. but you know the job is done right and you don’t have to worry about your oil filter or plug being put on too tight or not tight enough etc. Not to mention, most of those places put the cheapest brand of oil in your car as it is, and that’s not good for your engine. I spend the extra money putting sythetic oil in my vehicles and I still end up paying less than if I had taken it in to a garage. (granted most engines don’t require synthetic oil, but paying the extra for a good brand is very important) It only takes 10-15 minutes tops to do. I understand not everyone can do this, such as the elderly, handicapped, etc., but those of us that are able bodied, I believe changing ones own oil is one of the easiest things a person can do when it comes to maintaining ones own vehicle.
imo


I used to change my own oil, but realized I was wasting more time and not saving much more money than having a service.

By the time I buy the oil and filter, create the mess all over my hands, make myself filthy by crawling under the car, then having to dispose of the oil properly at the recycling center, I think it really is faster and more convenient to get it changed by a service. But if it works better for you that’s great.


I feel about like Joe on this one. I used to do my own oil changes. I usually shop around now. Getting rid of the old oil properly was one of the biggest hassles.

Most lube/oil places use decent oil these days but a person should always know or ask what kind they are using. Personally I have a favorite additive that I add to the other oil and have used it for over 10 years with great results.

Jiffy Lube is actually a little more expensive than some other places but when I went there it was part of a 2 for 1 deal. Earlier this year they had a special where if you came in for a service they would mail you a certificate for a free one. I took my mother’s car in first since that’s where she always likes to take it. Then when they mailed me the free one I used it for myself. So it was about 2 oil changes for $35. You can’t do it much cheaper yourself. I’m pretty sure I won’t be going back there though.


I agree with both sides; my dad taught me how to change oil and change/rotate tires when I was just 17; valuable skills! But my problem, CR67, is what to do with the oil??? I know that most of the chains recycle their oil…..so I feel like I am paying 28.50 for that (as well as having someone else check my tire pressure :)


A couple of years ago, I took my used oil to the transfer station. They had specially marked drums for your used oil. Very easy and free. Don’t know if they still accept it or not, but it’s worth a try.


That’s where I take mine. It’s free and its close, so for me its convienent.
And I don’t go out of my way to pick up the oil and filter. I go to WalMart each week anyways so I just pick up the supplies when I need them. Quick and easy.


That’s a good point. Although my next excuse (yes i know they are excuses) is that in weather like this i’d gladly forfeit a few bucks to not get down on that freezing ground.


I always do my own oil changes and lubes.

I learned long ago to never trust any quick lube place to do anything right. I’ve had bad experiences with each and every one I have tried. Jiffy Lube forgot to put the oil cap back on once. Then they only finger-tightened a drain plug. Next time they installed the wrong oil filter resulting in NO oil filtration. My daughter’s Honda Accord engine was destroyed by failed main bearings within three days of having her oil changed at Grease Monkey in Rexburg. It appeared the bearings had gotten red hot and were totally burned and blackened. This would only happen if the engine was run with no oil (on this engine it would take only a minute or two). Of course they denied any responsibility. Evidently something similar happened to another person at the Jiffy Lube on Woodruff - I saw a guy picketing the store with a sign that said, “My oil change cost me $700″.
The small inconvenience of doing it myself is worth it to me and I know it’s done right. I’ve also saved lots of money over the years. Just about enough to pay for my daughter’s new engine!


Wow Joe….you really are breaking out all the excuses aren’t you? 8)
I bet I could shoot down each one, but hey, no bother. Some people just don’t like changing their own oil so whatever works for you. I just wanted to add my 2 cents because I too have known a number of people that have had their engines screwed up and or damage to their cars by using places like Jiffy Lube. My brother took his Honda there once and they forgot to put the oil cap back on. They left it sitting on the top of the engine and when they slammed the hood down, the oil cap made an inverted dent in the hood. The recognized their mistake and opened the hood and put the oil cap on, but they never told my brother what they did. He noticed it later that day and when he took it back, they claimed that they weren’t responisible. You could clearly see the oil cap was what caused this dent, but the refused to fix it or even acknowledge wrongdoing. Needless to say he’s changed his own oil ever since. (I’ve got a dozen other stories just like that, but I digress) If you insist on having someone else change your oil, I would take it to a regular garage or even a dealership. Many dealerships have oil change specials going on all the time that they don’t advertise. And they are very competitive price wise. Just stay away from those “quicky lube” places. They usually hire high school kids that have no experience whatsoever and 9 out of 10 times they’ll screw your vehicle up. Not that it’s difficult to do this job, but they just don’t pay attention.

I always change the oil in our vehicles. Consider the oil that you use as the life blood of your engine. The better the quality, the longer your engine will last, the better it will perform and the better mileage you’ll get. We have a little kit put aside in our garage for changing oil. We have an old quilt that we lay down on the floor, a pair of work gloves to keep our hands clean and an oil pan that has a spout on it so we can pour the old oil back into the container. I always purchase the 5 gallon jugs of oil. That way when I’m ready to dispose of my old oil, I just pour it all right back into the 5 gallon jug, screw the cap on and I’m ready to take it to the transfer station. No mess, no fuss.
This post probably should have gone under our “Home Improvement” post, but I wanted to respond so there it is.
Take care!


I’m beginning to rethink this, maybe I should start changing my own oil again. I don’t think I’ll save so much money and probably will lose time, but I absolutely agree that these quick lube places cannot be trusted to do the job right, or to take responsibility when they do make costly mistakes.


Try Zippy Lube in Rexburg, if you live in that neck of the woods. We’ve been taking our vehicles there for years and have never had a lick of trouble. These guys care about the work they do, and they’re less expensive than the chains. Also, while I’m here, I’ll put in a plug for Larsen Repair in Iona. Best mechanics in the valley. Even though we live in Sugar City, we always take our vehicles there — even, on one occasion, when I had to have my truck pulled there, a distance of 30 miles. Still worth it. Nobody said this had to be a rain on everyone’s business thread.


Thanks for the heads up Brian. Now if anybody knows of a good mechanic here in Idaho Falls, that’d be great. I need to have a tie rod replaced on my suv and I’ve been putting it off as I’m not sure of a good mechanic around here. Any ideas?
Thanks!


Larsen Repair is in Iona, just east of IF. Go there. Go east on Iona Road, past Hitt about three miles. Larsen’s is on the south side of the road about a half-mile after you hit the Iona city limits.


Thanks Brian!


You should also try Sage Creek Repair. They are on Yellowstone Hwy just south of 17th Street. I have taken my cars there for years. Good work and very honest.


Yeah, they do good work but are very expensive. Took my wifes car there last year and they charged us an arm and a leg for a rebuilt alternator.


Larsen’s the way to go. We shopped around all over to find someone to replace our truck engine after it threw a rod. Larsen’s came in at half of what all the other guys wanted, and they do a great job.


I swear by Oswald’s service on Yellowstone. I’ve taken two cars and numerous company vehicles there and never had a problem. They’re honest (have even saved me money on occasion) and reliable.


Isnt’t his nice to have compliments for IF businesses, rather than complaints?


I just have to let you all know about bad business. My ex works for a local HVAC company here in town. I have his kids in my house, anyways on the 3rd of January I went to work and my kids called and said the house was cold. I called my ex for 2 hours and called the on call service to get the message to him. He never called me back. I finally called my brother who works for a local supplier and he called Alpine heating. Rob at Alpine came right out and my house had heat in an hour. The complaint I have is that the company Alpha Mechanical is obviously not a family oriented business, this is who my ex works for. He did not seem to care that his kids had no heat and the on call service did nothing to notify him that we had no heat. It took me almost three hours to get ahold of someone and than when I called Alphas main line number a lady answered and I said is this Alpha and her reply was yes this is Misses Alpha, Alpine had my heat going within an hour I wasted three hours to try and get service from another company who cares nothing for families. I tried to give the company the benefit of the doubt but it is no wonder my ex has done a 360 change since going to work for them, and none of them have called to see if I got heat in my house, and of course my ex has since changed his number. I just hope that you guys call Alpine Heating and not Alpha, the service is nothing to speak of.


I disagree. I have used Alpha Mechanical several times in the past few years - always emergency situations, and they had repair men knocking on my door within the hour (on Sundays in the evening) - and they knew their stuff and had me up and running again very fast.

Maybe the fact that your ex works there biased your opinion?


I’ve got another complaint about Sage Creek Auto Repair. My wife took her car in to have them install a new windshield washer bottle and they ended up charging us almost double of what they originally quoted us. AND they ended up keeping the car all day. Something that should have taken 1-2 hours max,(from what they told us) took them 8 hours AND they charged us an arm & a leg. I even supplied the washer bottle. (a factory OEM part) Only thing involved was the labor.
Unfortunately we didn’t get a “written” estimate when they quoted us the price last time. I should have known better, but I gave them the benefit of the doubt and it came back to bite me in the keister!

Stay as far away from Sage Creek Auto Repair as you can!!


Holy cow that is a ripoff!


Speaking of HVAC repairs, I would NOT recommend Hipwell’s. I called them about my gas furnace not running. I showed them what it was doing and they spent several hours ripping a hole in my basement wall and running a ridiculously huge, new duct because the furnace wouldn’t start (huh?). SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS later he left. Next day my furnace wouldn’t start. Needless to say I was hot, and not from the furnace. Since they had done quite enough damage already I decided to become my own expert and did an intensive online search and study of my furnace. After finding and digging through the manufacturers manual it became rather obvious the problem was probably a bad “inducer” which is a fancy name for the ventilation fan. Using the diagrams I realized how easy this furnace is to work on and verified the problem in about 10 minutes. I called Jewel’s and they had the part for $200. I had it fixed and also repaired a screwed up drain Hipwell had installed, that wasn’t working, within a few hours.
I spent $700, at Christmas time, for nothing! I never recommend them to anyone.


Why do we keep trying take-out food on Friday nights? My wife and I decided we need to start doing crock-pot meals on Fridays. Last Friday night we got burned again by the Broadway Arctic Circle. My wife ordered, then sat several minutes at the drive-thru window before an employee asked what was her order again? Then when she got home we discovered a missing fry and regular hamburgers instead of the ordered cheeseburgers. You can bet we got charged for the full order, though. This happens a lot lately at that Broadway Arctic Circle, so we are going to try avoiding that place for awhile, like possibly as long as we live on the west side.

Then there was the Broadway Pizza Hut. Several weeks ago I ordered a take-out, and when I went to pick it up they were in chaos. I had to wait several minutes, during which time I heard some of the staff swearing and saying things like, “this is bull$it dude, I’m sick of this”, yeah with me the customer standing right there! They lost half my order, but of course took awhile to finally admit it to me, I could see them scurrying around whispering to each other about it. I thought wow they must be busy, but I was the only take-out customer while I waited ten minutes, and there were only two tables occupied in the restaurant. Yeah, we are going to avoid the Broadway Pizza Hut for awhile.

Finally, my wife was out shopping today, and had a bad experience at the Dress Barn in Ammon. She said the employees were pushy, she got asked for help about 20 times, and about 5 times by the same person! Worse, while she was trying clothes in the dressing room, the Dress Barn employees were knocking on her door asking if she needed help and did she know they had those same pants in other colors and yada yada get outta my face already!

Good experiences lately? Oh the Broadway Dominos has been good each time I go there, my wife actually had a great customer service experience at the westside Walmart recently (can’t remember the situation), and the Reed’s Dairy teenagers are still awesome every single time I go there.


I hate drive thrus, and I absolutely refuse to patronize any businesses where I can hear the employees complaining in front of the customers.

I used to work with a woman who complained about patients in front of other patients. Horrible. Of course this was long before HIPAA, but I’m thinking, I bet she hasn’t changed.

And when the workers complain to each other about their jobs, or about a coworker or a manager, I just tell them that it’s inappropriate for them to be having this conversation in front of a customer.

Most of the time, they look at me like I’m an old fogie, what do I know? Well, I know enough to report the conversation to the manager, and never return to that business.


I have to agree with Joe and Nemesis on it being inappropriate to talk in such a manner in front of the customers. Recently Idaho Falls has been blessed with the addition of competition for ERMIC. Unfortunately with the nurse shortage sometimes these facilities pick those with colorful backgrounds. Imagine going into the womens clinic to see a doctor, and after waiting for an extended period of time being taken into the exam room for the procedure. The nurse that takes you back there is a major gossip hound. Rather than talking about your health, you hear everything about the doctors, other nurses, even how bad her X-husband is. I think that she occupies herself by constant chatter. I believe she is an LPN even though she professes to be a R.N. After it is all said and done you feel like you have watched soap operas for a year straight. The real problem is the fact that during some of the conversation names of other patients was mentioned in violation of HIPPA Regs. Now I hope that my information is not being as freely discussed with other patients. The facility is Rosemark Womens Clinic and the nurses initials are M.D. not like a doctor.


I agree…..I can’t stand drive-thru’s. I’m not big on fast food to begin with aside from ordering the occasional pizza. Regardless, Joe’s suggestion of crock pot cooking is something I do at least once a week. So many things can be cooked this way and all you have to do is throw everything in the pot, put it on low and by the time you get home from work, the whole house smells awesome and you’ll have a great dinner waiting.


I know, we have a few crock pot dishes we like, but we forget to make them. We are most vulnerable to the allure of fast food on Friday evenings when we are tired and looking forward to relaxing all weekend. I suggested to my wife that we make crock pot dishes every Friday so we quit getting burned by the west side fast food places, we’ll see if we can stick with it.


Speaking of crock pot dishes made me hungry! So I stopped by the store after work today and bought a nice pork roast and vegetables. I cut up all the veggies tonight and before I leave for work in the morning I’ll throw everything in the pot and be set for an awesome dinner tomorrow night. 8)

To get back onto the topic of local business complaints, I have to give props to the folks at Mt.View Redi-Care. It’s the fairly new clinic right there by the round-a-bout at Taylors Crossing (500 S Utah Ave to be exact). I went snowboarding up at Targhee over the weekend and I wiped out pretty bad, really twisting my back. I had to cut my trip short and was laid up the rest of the weekend. I kept ice on it to reduce the swelling and took some ibuprofen for the pain. But today at work sitting at my desk was really painful and I thought I better get it checked out. Now although I have good insurance through work, I don’t yet have a primary care physician, so I decided to stop by Mt.View Redi-Care on my lunch hour, being that their fairly close to where I work. I have to say that compared to the Community Care Clinic I went to last year when I had the flu real bad, this place was 100 times better! I got right in with zero wait time, and everyone from the staff to the nurse to Dr. Corbin Bunnage….everyone was very professional & very courteous. I had some x-rays taken which showed some bruising on my lower spine and the doctor prescribed me some meds and set me up with a referral to have it looked into further if it doesn’t heal up within a week or two. (which he believes it should) I was so impressed with the care I received, I wrote them a thank you note as soon as I got home from work.
I can’t stress enough the amazing care I received from the staff & Doctor at Mt.View Redi-Care. Their “bed-side manner” is second to none and I would and do recommend this clinic to everyone that may have an issue that doesn’t require an actual hospital visit.
Way to go Mt.View!!


One more thing I forgot to mention…..from drive time to and from the clinic, to filling out the paperwork, having x-rays and being seen by the Doctor only took 50 minutes. Being able to do all this on my lunch hour without actually having to take any extra time off of work, made this visit just that much better.
Thanks again!


Excellent. I hope they put Community Care out of business. Community Care is neither professional or competent. I am glad to see other business’ giving them a run for their money.


Okay, CR67, some will get upset cause this is way off topic, but you mentioned your crock pot and a pork roast and I just had to share this: next time, try a pork roast and a jar of salsa verde (any green salsa will do) in the crockpot on low for 6 or 7 hours; then get tortillas on your way home and you will have the best pork verde tortillas in the world for dinner…..seriously, this is a recipe I found in a magazine and it is one of the best meals ever, and ridiculously easy

:)

I lived in Poky when I lived in Idaho so I have no I.F. complaints…..always loved going to the little szechuan place on 17th, near the mall, in one of those plazas? The staff there was always very friendly and the food was great.


Schlotzky’s Deli? I’ve never been there in the what 10 or 15 years they’ve been open, but they must be doing something right.


I have a pork roast in the freezer that I was just contemplating what to do with (usually I make carnitas). I’ll try the crock recipe, thanks, Babs!


Thanks for the crockpot tip Babs! I appreciate it. :)
As for Schlotzkys Deli…… Joe, you’ve gotta try that place! Awesome sandwhiches! Like their slogan goes…..”funny name, great food”….or something like that. I always get “the original” when I go there. Definately check it out the next time you get a chance.


I always got their bacon mushroom and jalapeno pepper pizza, good stuff.


I’ve always wanted to try their pizza, but everytime I get there I end up getting the same thing! I’ll have to give it a try sometime.


I love the deli but just FYI, Joe, I was talking about a little chinese place, I thought was called “Szechuan Garden” or something; it has been at least 3 or 4 years though, so it may be closed; was in that plaza with the unfininished wood furniture, I believe…….


I just received a call from the nurse at Mt.View Redi-Care asking how my injury was & if I was feeling better today. (that’s a first!)
This is definately the place to go if you ever need to see a Doctor about a non-life threatening injury.
All I can say is “impressive”!


Try Franco’s Pizzeria on First Street (next to Bubba’s). They have a small operation there, but the food is pretty good (and authentic New York Style Pizza). The pizza sauce is a guarded family secret. They have beer and wine and excellent appetizers as well. I really enjoyed dining there. It’s a husband and wife operation. Frank Franco was a former Deputy Sheriff so he doesn’t hire any felons to work for him (that is a big plus)!!!!


Oh, Mike, on the one hand I can see that not hiring felons could be considered by some folks to be a plus, but on the other, if the felons have done their time, haven’t they now paid their debt and deserve as much a chance as anyone else to work in a good place and have a good life?

Just as you did with me and the school minor medical issue, I’m asking you out of curiosity, to understand where you’re coming from here.


Thanks for the pizza tip Mike. I’m always looking for good pizza and there’s nothing like “New York Style” pizza. I’m not a big fan of the “chains”, but I do like Papa Murphy’s and that’s what I usually get as I haven’t really found a good Mom & Pop pizza joint. I think we had a “pizza poll” a few months back didn’t we? I don’t recall who won though.


As it stands now, many felons work in restaurants as it is. In my view, it is a plus that felons don’t work in Franco’s Pizzeria. Many felons have poor hygiene habits personally and professionally. Some have Hepatitis conditions from A to C. Many felons can also harm your food if they know who you are and have had dealings with you in the past. (lol) Additionally, I don’t necessarily like being served by someone with numerous tattoos and nose rings (whether they are a felon or not) but many do make these types of choices. Plus, I don’t want these jokers handling my credit card when I pay for an evening out….several months ago a server over at the FireHouse Restaurant on Hitt Road had a card reader and was caught skimming numbers! I realize these generalizations are not exclusive to felons, but if I was an employer and/or a patron and had to choose between the two…..I would opt for the person without a proven criminal record of serious nature! Hope that helps explain it.


I agree that the lack of felons at Franco’s Pizzeria would be a plus. While this is a generalization, a lot of the people in the food industry are your lower class citizens for whom things like basic hygiene and such are severely lacking. And you also get other undesirables there. I know for a fact that both the Olive Garden and Ruby River have employed child molestors within the last year as I recognized them and know of their history (both the ones I know are currently in jail and as such probably won’t be working there in the future - one was Chris McKelvie - the husband who along with his wife molested a 14 year old). A child molestor could have good hygiene but do you really want to take that chance? And there is simple principle of the matter as well. I also know for a fact that two years ago the McDonalds in Ammon was employing several people whose children were removed from their home due to extremely filthy living conditions including cockroaches. I do not know if those people still work there as I don’t eat at McDonalds ever.


Those are really good points, I wanted to try that new Franco’s for the food but now I support that “no-felons” idea. I wonder if any other local businesses make this decision? If there are more than a handful I would start an article to publicize them and keep track.

…several months ago a server over at the FireHouse Restaurant on Hitt Road had a card reader and was caught skimming numbers!

Was that reported in the news? Holy cow, this is the kind of thing we need to share.


A parole or probation officer tipped a friend of mine not to eat at the Broadway Wendy’s for awhile cuz a nympho worked there who had to ummm satisfy herself 14 times a day. It sounded like a junior high rumor, but the person I heard it from was reliable, and they said they heard it direct from this officer.

However, this was many months ago so I imagine she has passed on, probably to another random fast food restaurant in Idaho Falls. Where are you going for lunch tomorrow? 8^)


Has anyone ever seen the movie Waiting? Its about waiters at a restaurant, similar to say Applebees, who do all kinds of nasty things. Having worked in the food industry back in high school I can say there is an unfortunate bit of truth about the nasty things that happened in that movie that do happen in real life. Word of advice - never be rude to a waitress and never under any circumstances send your food back to be fixed.

In fact in this movie there is a running gag where the employees expose their genitals to one another as practical jokes. It was in the media a few years back how Taco Bell employees in town were doing this same thing. I hadn’t seen the movie at that time but its now obvious in hindsight that they likely got it from the movie


A friend of mine in high school told us about the gross things they did to people’s food at Burger King on Northgate Mile. She said there was never a shift that went by where they didn’t do something to someone’s food. She said it was more likely to happen in the evenings and weekends when the boss is not around, and recommended IF you dare eat fast food then stick to weekdays.


For heck’s sake, I don’t think I can stand it, after reading all this stuff. I used to want to eat at restaurants… ;-)

Mike, thanks for your honest response. My honest response back to you that is that it makes me cringe to read the sweeping generalizations that you (and others) apply routinely to all felons, and to all restaurant workers in general. But that’s the stuff for another post, another day.

(No, I’m not a felon, and I don’t work in a restaurant either).

That being said, I probably commented somewhere on this site about a friend of mine who said that if you saw what goes on in the kitchens of any restaurant anywhere, you’d probably never go back.

The visceral reaction to that concept isn’t the same as “if you saw what goes on in the stock room of any major department store” or “if you saw what goes on in the break room of any office building” because we’re expecting a different level of cleanliness for our food.


Good post ElDiablo #134 & 137! This is one of the main reasons I don’t eat at fast food places and rarely eat out at your moderately priced establishments. In high school I worked at Pizza Hut and Red Lobster for a time, and college I was a sous chef at a French restaraunt for a couple years. I can tell you some horror stories from both.
The movie “waiting” is a dead ringer for what goes on in many restaraunts. And don’t think for a second that the fancier the restaraunt the less likely these types of things will occur. They may not occur as often, but it still happens. It really turned me off from restaraunts at an early age. Not completely of course, but I can tell you one thing….I’m always extremely polite to the wait staff wherever I go.

My main concern is not always people with a grudge spitting in your food or dropping food on the floor and throwing it back on the grill…..but it’s the cleanliness of both the restaraunt itself as well as the employees. Do you remember that Seinfeld episode where Jerry was dating this girl whos father owned a pizza joint? Jerry was in the bathroom when the father/chef came in, used the toilet and then walked right out without washing his hands. A couple minutes later you see him kneeding the pizza dough with Jerry watching him and cringing. Then he refused to eat the pizza…..funny episode!
But thats reality. Most places it’s required that anybody who handles food must wear those little plastic gloves. But it’s not enforced very often and people are always picking, scratching and God knows what else. (Joe’s comment about the nympho made me chuckle!) So aside from dirty employees, kitchens and food prep area’s are often quite dirty as well.

I went with a friend a couple weeks ago to Papa Johns to pick up a pizza he called in. (this is the PJ’s across from Smiths on Woodruff) For starters they have some rather unsavory looking characters working there. This one guy had really greasy hair with studs in his nose and lip and the other one had a bunch of tattoos and piercings as well. Anyways, while sitting there waiting we watched as this girl used this very dirty rag to clean the metal countertops and as she cleaned it, you could see a greasy film it left behind. Also, instead of spraying the cleaning chemical into the rag or towel she was using, she was spraying the countertops themselves. It was late in the afternoon and the way the sun was shining through the windows, you could see the mist from the cleaning solution floating all over the place. Then as if that wasn’t bad enough, she went straight from cleaning the counters, to cutting up and boxing pizza’s without washing her hands or putting on gloves. I was like dude, you need to walk out right now and forget about your pizza. He was like “but I paid for it already”. I said, so what….get your money back right now, there’s no way I would eat anything from this place.
He said, “I’m not worried about it, I eat here all the time”. NO!!! Oh well….I guess this type of thing just doesn’t bother some people.

I used to love eating at Texas Roadhouse….their biscuits are scrumptous! But I had two bad experiences there and haven’t been back since. Once I found a hair in my food which really grossed me out. and the second time a beetle! Half way through my bbq pork sandwich I see a beetle crawling on my plate and watched as he scurried under my frys. That was it for me! I almost hurled right there at the table.
Anyone else with some restaraunt horror stories? 8)


eugh!

Soooo, are there any cooking classes offered around Idaho Falls? I read somewhere that Dolores Cassella offers gourmet cooking classes in her home, anyone know much about that, or cooking classes offered at EITC?

I’m suddenly motivated to learn to help my wife cook more at home.


I heard that Rush Cooking Supply (not sure I got the name right — but its off Broadway on Lindsay) offer cooking classes.


I am skipping lunch today due to all this information. Yikes!!!! I am really glad the Post Register puts Health Inspections in the paper now. It is a real wake up call to restauranteers and the patrons.


If someone takes Dolores Casella’s classes, get her recipe for pickled garlic. She does something with soy sauce and brown sugar and maybe even butter…weird stuff for pickled garlic but the one time I did it they were fabulous. It was years ago and I can’t find the recipe anymore (was in the PR) but it was great.


Is Dolores Casella still around? She use to rant and rave in Letters to the Editor with frequency. I haven’t heard much about her for quite a while. My daughter took a few classes from Rush’s and she made some wonderful meals. They also have a class in the summer on outdoor grilling.


Guest in IF: You call it ranting and raving, I call it concerned citizen involvement.

I appreciated her letters as much as anyone’s on that page.


I believe Dolores offers cooking classes on a private basis for small groups. I’ve seen her eating at Happy Chinese Reataurant (Park Ave. in Idaho Falls) on a daily basis over the past month.

With all her surgeries and health issues, she offers these classes for a small fee to help pay for medication that she needs and living expenses. You might be able to catch her over there, or call her. I believe her number is in the phone book.


Mmmmm. Happy’s was where I ate almost all my meals in the 80s, when I worked for a local TV station. They made this wild sesame oil/chili pepper sauce that they kept on each table, and it was so volatile that it’d eat the container if you didn’t use glass. (I know because Koon Lap Chu, the husband of the former owner, gave me some in a to-go cup once, and before I got back to work it had eaten through the container wall…)

Mmmm. They’ve had new owners, I haven’t been there in years so I don’t know if they still make that sauce. But Dolores eating there, that says to me that they’re still serving good food.

Her son Leonard was a cook somewhere, don’t know what he’s doing these days. Her grand(son) Chris was close to my older daughter’s age, she hung out with him occasionally.


Speaking of Community Care, a coworker last week took off work and went to CC with strep throat symptoms. The doctor said he didn’t think it was strep, but took cultures and said he would get back to her with the results. Three days later the doc had not called and her symptoms were much worse, so this girl went to her regular doctor, where she was diagnosed with strep throat and ear infection.


I can confirm the horror stories at restaurants. I worked at a Burger King in high school and then at a McD’s in college. I saw only a few malicious things but just the run of the mill things would scare a person from ever eating out again.

Take the Burger King on N Yellowstone for instance which is the one I worked at nearly 20 years ago. At the time it had those portable ketchup and mustard bottles sitting out for the customers so they could get their own. Every day at closing it was the closers job to refill those. Which I was one of and which we did. So every day we topped them off. Cleaning the inside never even occurred to us. Months went by we got a new manager who must have seen this kind of thing before as she went out and squirted out all the ketchup and found some new kind of life form growing at the bottom of the bottles. Again this was 20 years ago so who knows how it is there now.


Not cleaning the condiment containers happens quite a lot at many restaurants. I have a relative that works at Red Lobster and they claim it happens there. I will only use full bottles or request one from the server. I used to work at JB’s in Boise a long time ago after high school and the manager was the one you had to watch! I remember one time I threw out a container of very rancid shrimp and he dug it out of the trash, rinsed it off and put it back in the fridge! I finally told the assistant manager who threw it out. This guy would also make me put moldy, mushy strawberries in the pies I made. I tried to trim out the garbage but again, he would fish them out of the trash and slap them back in the pie filling. It’s amazing what a little pie tone will cover up! To this day I still won’t eat strawberry pie unless I make it myself! Or most anything else unless I watch it being prepared and the cook doesn’t look like a hepatitis infected lowlife.

On a HAPPY note - I also love Happy’s. I hope they stay in business forever. Lots of very tasty food and absurdly good prices. Great service And good oriental beer.


Never heard of this “Happys” place….I’ll have to try it out.


cafe del sol= eat up={and the cook doesnt look like a hepatitis infected lowlife} was more indicative of your persona than I realized.as there are many veterans who contracted the illness serving our country for your right to have a opinion on food service personnel ,so you could offer such great wisdom on the local sanitary establishment,hope foreign produced ale was pastuerized.


The Red Lobster i worked at in high school, utilized the “5 second rule”. As for those “pump” condiment dispensers, I always steer clear of those. I heard about that years ago. The thing is, the same can be said with the bottles they put on your table. They use Heinz or some fancy catsup or mustard bottles, but refill them each night with the “cheap stuff”. Those are never cleaned out either, so it’s always best to stick with the packets whenever possible.


Anonymous - I’ve been in and around enough kitchens (commercial and otherwise) in my life to have developed ZERO tolerance for any filth or corner cutting. As long as restaurant managers hire drug addicts, felons and immature teenagers (not too many veterans in those categories) as cooks there are going to be problems. Nearly every time there is a sudden outbreak of hepatitis in a community it can be traced back to a restaurant employee. A mandatory blood test for new food service hires would curb that trend but I don’t see it happening.


Blood test wouldn’t help with hepatitis from food workers because it is hepatitis A which is an acute self limited disease. Mandatory Hep A immunizations on the other hand may help.


In the article, “Paper Checks Belong to a Bygone Era”, there were comments about having a mandatory tip added to payments made with credit cards, unless it was determined a cash tip had been left. (Let me know which restaurants those are so I always pay by check.) I didn’t know it was legal for restaurants to authorize banks to withhold money above what the cardholder had signed for….or am I seriously clueless about what is going on with credit cards and restaurants? I have no problem with tipping, but I also usually leave a cash tip whether I pay by check or plastic.

Will something terrible happen if you change the pre-determined amount of their tip? When do you sign that contract? Before, or after receiving the service? Help!


It’s usually at your higher end restaruants like Jakers, Sandpiper, The Cellar, etc. I don’t see it as much here as I used to when I lived in a larger city where there was a larger & better variety of restaraunts. I think mid priced restaruants like Texas Roadhouse, Johnny Carrinos are beginning to do it as well, but only when there’s like a party of 10 or more.
If you do happen to see that disclaimer at the bottom of your bill, just make sure to inform the waitress that you’ll be applying the appropriate tip yourself.
It’s ashame that restaruants are having to result to this action to keep their wait-staff employeed. It’s obvious its a result of too many people not paying the minimum 15% tip thats required. I don’t know if “required” is the right word, but it has been common practice for many years now, with 20% being common for real good service.
I personally think tipping well is a good habit to start, especially if you frequent a particular restaraunt on a regular basis. Once the wait-staff knows that you and your party tip well, you’ll begin to see much better service each time you go in there. ie: Better tables, quicker service, friendlier waiters/waitress’s etc etc.


I tip based on the level of service I get. If service is particularly poor I don’t tip at all. Not too long ago I was a local restaurant and the waitress was rude and didn’t come by to refill our drinks a single time. So she got no tip. Here’s a hint to any waiter staff reading this: in my opinion the #1 important thing you can do to earn a tip is be quick about refilling drinks.

Another thing that will downgrade your tip is being too chatty. I’ll bring a friend to eat with me if I want a friend so don’t try. Be courteous but let us eat. I don’t care about your life and I certainly didn’t come out to eat to hear about it. All I want from you is quick courteous service and drink refills.


Anonymous #159, your particular needs at a restaurant don’t match my own. In fact I’m really annoyed to have a server keep bringing soft drink refills, sometimes when I’m not even done with my first glass, crowding the table with unrequested drinks.

So a good server will try to find a middle ground and change some activities to match a customer’s needs.

I wish the system allowed them to get decent wages instead of tips. I’d gladly pay extra for the food in that case, but I’m guessing that there are many who don’t bother to tip who would also be unhappy with an increase in prices.


If restaurants were to include the price of tips in the meal to insure better pay for the wait staff, I’m guessing most people would eat at home due to “food costs”. It’s courtesy and good manners to tip but not required in most restaurants.

Wait staff have a tough job. They deal with all walks of life including very ill-mannered and mean people. Some people seem to think they are the only person in the restaurant (regardless of how busy they are and/or short handed) and the waiter should be sitting at their feet lest they want something. Then you should jump over tables like superman to get it to them as quick as you can. That way they can complain that you weren’t leaving them alone. :(

I would not want to be a waitress.


I was a waitress in high school (back before lots of you were born, in the golden age) and it was FABULOUS…and I made great tips.

But I couldn’t/wouldn’t do it again, and I also overtip now, almost always.


Nemesis, I’m gathering from your posts that you would have the personality for it. I think it takes a very social, mild mannered person to be a great waiter/waitress. I waited in my younger years too for extra money. Some days I loved it, some days I hated it. But I was (not anymore) very shy with people I didn’t know. Some would take my shyness in all the wrong ways and I’d go home crying. :(


I’m overly social, and not mild mannered at all! But that was a sweet thing for you to say.

I have a sister in law who still does it, she’s great at it, and flirts with everyone.

I’m glad you’re not doing it anymore if it made you feel bad sometimes.


have a good night. ;)


So I stopped at the Sonic on Curlew to get my little guy a “treat”. The menu said that the sundaes come with whipped cream and a cherrie, plus the pic showed the sauce all over the ice cream. Well, when the treat came there was a little sauce in the bottom and plain ice cream on the top. I asked the server if they were out of cherries or what. His reply, I guess so. When he came back with my change I showed him the menu and pic of the sundae. He asked if I wanted him to fix it (should have read the above posts first about sending back food). He came back with the sundae looking like it should, cherry and all. Then he says,”That better?”. No apology or explanation. Later I called the manager and she was very nice and offered a free sundae, which I didn’t want. She did say the boy was new and she would speak to him. I think we will stick to homemade treats after reading all of the post! Thanks for all of the above comments!


Happys’ employees/management certainly make me feel happy, but as far as their food goes, in my opinion, it’s very bland, it’s fresh and of high quality though. It seems as though I’ve had to put salt on my dishes there, to bring out most of the flavor. Otherwise I can see why they ranked in the top ten Chineese restaraunts in the U.S.A. Thank God they don’t use MSG. Anyway, I LOVE chineese food. Can anyone tell me if they have tried Ming’s in downtown I.F., and how their food is? I’m going to try it near the first of May, if I get a positive reply. Sonic’s hamburgers in Ammon seem very sloppy to me, I love their drinks though. Although Tom’s Gyros seems a little dirty and in need of a good paint job, their hamburgers are very tasty, if you don’t mind a lot of grease and lettuce. Their fry sticks are to die for too. And their gyros are a real treat, best i’ve ever had. Hot Diggity Dog was a real dissapointment for me a few times, as the buns for the dogs I got, were soggy wet…this has happend three times now, their fries weren’t half bad. Anyway, I’m just very hungry right now, as if you couldn’t tell, and I wanted to give the positive and negitives in my opinion of some food joints. Remember, if you get good service, please tip, the wait staff count on it. I’m going to order a pizza now, HhhhMmmm, I wonder who I should order it from?


Domino’s has always done right by us.


StarsAglow,

Ming’s is my favorite restaurant in town. It blows away Happy’s in terms of freshness, taste, and certainly service. The entire restaurant is staffed by Ming and Jenny Lee, a husband and wife who used to be head chef and waitress at Happy’s. They are the sweetest couple and always eager to please. Get the ginger beef! If they are busy, be prepaired to wait since it’s only the two of them working.

Oh, and I would check the credentials on Happy’s “best 100″ award. Someone told me it was one of those awards where the first 100 restaurants that sent in $200 made the list… not that it’s a bad restaurant.


I work downtown and love the food at Happy’s. Many of our staff eat their several times throughout the week. I read that the readers of Idaho Falls magazine voted Happy’s as the best “chinese” restaurant in Idaho Falls last year. Pretty sure they didn’t pay $200 for that award. I do agree that Mings is great as well. I have eaten there on many occassions as well.


Well Cr67 post 140 on Papa Johns was pretty much made up #1 there is no guy there that has a really greasy hair and studs in his nose and lip and no-one has a bunch of tattoo and periceing’s as for the rag being dirty i can see it but a white rag can look dirty pretty quick but being late afternoon i highly doubt that they were wiping counters down at that point in time…


Well Cr67 post 140 on Papa Johns was pretty much made up #1 there is no guy there that has a really greasy hair and studs in his nose and lip and no-one has a bunch of tattoo and periceing’s as for the rag being dirty i can see it but a white rag can look dirty pretty quick but being late afternoon i highly doubt that they were wiping counters down at that point in time..


I know what I saw because I was sitting there watching it all happen while my friend was waiting for his pizza. I’m not going to say something like that just to say it….I used to order from that Papa Johns, so it was disappointing for me to see. I for one won’t be back….I’ll stick with Papa Murphys.


I can’t believe we are able to make negative remarks about business’ and not about individuals. Both types of negative comments can cause harm to a person and/or a business. Seems to me that this is that classic internet problem of commenting about people, places, and other things that allow anyone to hurl a firebomb at someone or some business. Much like the County Commissioner thread where employees and politicians were the topics, business’ aren’t necessarily public figures…..so, we keep slamming them….but I suppose that is the way things are going these days with the internet. Anyone else have any concerns (or support) for making negative comments about business’?


I don’t like it. It does hurt businesses and you never know who just has an ax to grind. Again, I think names should be left out if you can’t say something good.


Well, I will say something good, then!

I went to what used to be the old Sugar Factory Smokehouse (or something like that) in Rigby, tonight. It’s reopened in the last two weeks and calls itself the Mill House Bistro.

The menu was really eclectic, from dutch oven fare, to Chicken Oscar to Pork Chops de Provence, then your standard smokehouse menu of steaks and Prime Rib and burgers, BBQ ribs, etc, with some cool sides.

One of my sides was the creamed peas and new red potatoes, and I’m swearing, the next time I go, I’ll just skip the entree and order two sides of that as my meal because it was FABULOUS!

Apparently the chef has won national awards for dutch oven recipes.

Okay, I’ve passed along my nice words for the day. Go thou and do likewise.

Oh, by the way, I’m torn about complaints where names are used. On the one hand, there could be a hidden agenda, but on the other hand, if no name is used, we’ll all be trying to put a name on it and may end up putting the WRONG name on it…or not believe it at all because no name is used. So I don’t know which is worse.


But that’s where we all need to quit speculating don’t you think? If someone has a complaint that is that bad, they should probably contact the BBB or at least management, but not Idahofallz.com.

I try, and again sometimes my mouth gets ahead of me, to (pardon me but) stfu if I can’t say something good, unless I am saying it to the person directly. It’s just what I believe needs to be done. War stories are one thing. But slamming a person or place on a public forum especially, I just don’t agree with. I don’t think it always has to do with sensitivity issues either. It’s embarrassing and humiliating and costly for a business and can be costly for a person.

Praise all you want. Everyone needs a pat on the back.


“stfu”? yowza.

and you are telling everyone else to be nice to everyone else to be “nice” and “praise”?

that is hysterical.


Does that mean you’d rather talk about others?


IMO, if this turns into a simple praise site and we all sit around typing nothing but niceties then we will miss out on opportunities to inform and warn. Abby notes:

“But that’s where we all need to quit speculating don’t you think? If someone has a complaint that is that bad, they should probably contact the BBB or at least management, but not Idahofallz.com.”

This blog site is about speculating. If one were to take that away this site, and many others would become worthless. We already see the results of banning religious discussions on this site. Many people are driven away. If you can’t defend your criticism, or if it is placed out by an “anonymous” source, most people can and do wait for more proof. It doesn’t mean it won’t hurt or sting a bit….but that is the price of free speech. Otherwise, if we are all sitting around the keyboards singing cumbya and typing peaceful messages of tolerance and respect it would be pretty boring and limiting at that….and it might just allow the powers that be to get away with all kinds of hijinks!


A lot of restaurants are noted on here. Why doesn’t anyone call the health department if its that bad? That will be published in the PR for all of IF to see.

I disagree Mike. I think there is way too much bashing here. But it’s not so much the site itself that concerns me but some of the people posting. Some are a little scary and it would seem some use this site as a way to get revenge with perceived injustices knowing they are anonymous as we saw on Radford’s thread last week.

There is a difference between opinions about todays issues going back and forth, and people just out to be cruel. I also question if people can’t find anything better to do with their time than spread malicious gossip around?


It takes more than one complaint for me to quit supporting a business. I have been thankful for some of the comments on this particular thread. If more than a couple of people complain about an area or a business, then I think the old saying “where there’s smoke, there’s fire” comes into play. Many of the bloggers are fairly well known to us through their anonymous id’s and in my opinion are creditable (even though I don’t always agree with them). But, I have to agree with Mike (#180) on this one.


One thing I will add to some of the first posts here. IMO EIRMC should not have made the little boy with the broken bone wait. CC should not have made Mike’s little boy wait with his elbow. I think something like that could have been take care of there unless they had one really new PA or MD on shift. The biggest problem you have here is that people seem to go to places like EIRMC for a running nose doing nothing more than taking up necessary time for the staff. This can and should be treated at either a CC or your private physician. You stated that they weren’t busy and that may be. EIRMC and CC should be able to establish that a broken bone or displaced elbow takes priority over a sore throat, running nose, etc. It’s called triaging a situation. I did break a bone once and was taken directly back to a room. Xray and visit took about an hour and I was sent home and told to see a specialist to cast it as it was not displaced. A displaced bone would have been treated there at EIRMC with the doctor o/c.

Not all clinics have X-ray equipment though nor the means to put a displaced bone (broken) back together. Maybe CC doesn’t but I was under the impression that they do. If not, that needs to be handled at the hospital ER. People want to run to their doctor if they think they are having a heart attack. Do Not do this. You are wasting valuable time and the doctor does not have the means to keep you alive if you are having a heart attack. He/she is going to send you to the ER and by the time you get there, you could be a DOA.

If my child had a broken bone and was not taken back right away, I would be notifying upper management of the issue asap. Sometimes people become angry and leave without ever saying anything to the people who can make a difference. Sometimes people just complain to complain. The manager should be able to decipher between the two.


interesting that you raise “sensitivity” issues, Abby. how does that jive with your take on evil homosexuals on other posts here???


Talk about sensitive. Where does it say evil? Sounds to me like it’s a marriage issue?


forgot my name. Thats pushing the sensitivity a bit isn’t it?


Before we have to cast the eye of Sauron upon anyone and send out the orcs…I’m going to offer a change in discussion. :)

Has anyone noticed that the sales tactics at The Smith Group (Smith Chev) have changed? I’ve heard they have a new manager.

We went car shopping in March - the last time was 3 years ago - there was quite a difference for us, and it wasn’t good. It wasn’t just one salesman, either. On two different lots we got either the bait and switch tactics or something else involving more aggressive tactics. We finally left and bought from another dealership that listened and found us what we were looking for. A lady I work with mentioned they had had a similar experience with them recently and ended up buying elsewhere.

Prior to this, we had enjoyed a good relationship with this dealership and had purchased several vehicles from them over the years. Was this just an isolated thing or has anyone else had this experience with them?


Good comment Mike #180. I believe many posters on this site are too sensitive. After all the name of this post IS “business complaints”. If I witness something inappropriate about a restaraunt or business I’m going to tell someone about it, and what better place than this site. I hope others would have the decency to do the same. As for it hurting business, I just don’t see it. If an employee of said business comes across a negative post, the best thing they can do it take it to management. Management can than take care of the issue or problem that was noted on this site. Once thats been done, they can come back to this site and inform everyone the problem was corrected, thus making everyone feel much more comfortable about returning to said business. And they’ll probably receive more business knowing that management took our complaints seriously and did what they could to remedy the problem. This is the point of this particular post.
People are so afraid of getting their feelings hurt or hurting someone elses feelings when there’s a problem they’d rather say nothing so the problem continues. Abby say’s there’s too much “bashing” going on and people are too “cruel” on this site……I’m sorry but I just don’t see it. I appreciate it when somebody comes on and aires their complaints about a business or restaraunt. And restaraunts & businesses should appreciate it as well. Most WANT to know when there’s a problem so they can act quickly to fix it. I would hardly consider that “bashing” or being “cruel”.


CR67s idea is like the other article about the improving the library. They could have taken it as bashing the library, but instead the director came here and addressed ALL the points. He explained why they did not think some things would work, he said he would investigates some of the suggestions, and he admitted a couple problems and took care of them quickly. It was as honest and upfront as you could expect or want. He did not make a fuss that people were saying things anonymously, he just dealt honestly with each criticism. The library is improved already.

Why can’t a person or business who thinks they are being “bashed” do the same? Explain why a criticism has no merit or acknowledge a mistake happened. Simple.

Car salesman may be feeling management pressure with this tough economy. That is no excuse to do those sales tactics though.


Good point Guest….thanks for the suppport.


It’s true that most employers want to know if there’s a problem, it’s the only way to correct it. Most people have backbone enough to talk to the management team personally without announcing public griefs behind the wall of anonymous handles. Nobody is going to bite you.


yes, but what is the harm in posting here? I’m with CR67 and Guest: it gives business owners another means of eliciting feedback (good, bad and otherwise. . . just look at the boost Reed’s Dairy is getting from this site) from customers. it also gives us info when making choices about who to patronize . . . in the “old” days, that was called “word of mouth”.

Now it is. . . “chat of keyboard”? ha ha that is the best I can do.


Babs is correct. Kind of like kids texting all the time instead of actually opening their mouth and talking. They would rather text than talk.

I guess we are just an older version of technological geekery…..we type out our complaints rather than use word of mouth. Great point guys!


It’s a great point if you’re a child texting. If you’re an adult act like one.


Poky Business Owner….I always inform the management when i receive bad or unacceptable service from a restaraunt or business. As a matter of fact I wrote a one page complaint to the management of the Olive Garden regarding that jerk that came in and demanded to get a table ahead of everyone else. To this day I have yet to receive a response. So my next option is to voice my concerns here and/or the local Better Business Bureau, as well as friends and family. I have no problem whatsoever voicing my opinions directly to management and I often do. And 9 out of 10 times, they’ll thank me for doing so. If a business owner can’t handle constructive criticism about his business and/or employees, than he has no place being in buisness for him/herself. Same goes with a manager of a restaraunt/business. Knowing somebodys name has nothing to do with the service they received. We’re all adults here and most of us can tell when a poster comes online to voice a concern about a business, as opposed to some teenager fooling around trying to badmouth a business.


CR67 - Did you take it straight to Darden regional management? If not you may have had better results. Local chain managers are hit or miss sometimes. Some care about good customer service and others couldn’t care less how many customers they offend.


If indeed you confront the owner first and get no satisfaction then maybe you have every right to be upset. A lot of businesses are governed by laws that prevent them from discussing issues regarding clients so they can’t defend themselves on a public forum. Your take only works with some businesses not all. Many businesses deal with so many clients through the course of the day that they would have to knwo who what and when it happened to defend it at all which can’t be done on a public forum. Stating that an owner can come on board and defend themselves and correct a problem isn’t always realistic.

Now if you’ll excuse me I have a business to run and need to be up early.


Poky: you and your staff have never pointed out a “difficult” customer amongst yourselves to warn each other about a potential problem? never told a staff member or coworker: “that guy is really fussy/cheap/mean/bad breath-ed”?


Has anyone ever had a problem with FreeCreditReport. com? I signed up for a free credit report last October. The deal with this site is, in order to get your free credit report, you have to sign up with them by giving them your CC information, which they’ll bill you 14.95 a month, unless you cancel within 7 days. I didn’t see that as being a problem as I just wanted to see how my credit report looked. I cancelled on the 3rd day and thought that was that. NOT SO FAST!!
Last week I received an email from them stating that my membership was cancelled because the charges weren’t going through my credit card. (last month I lost my wallet and had to get a new credit/debit card, insurance/medical card, etc etc.) Needless to say I was furious to find out this company (CreditReport.Com) failed to cancel my subscription and has been charging me since last October! Granted I should probably read my bank statements more often (which I will now!), but the thing is, 15 bucks a month can easily go unnoticed in my acct. When balancing my checkbook, I usually round up to the nearest 5 or 10 dollar mark, like if I pay 12.45 for something, I’ll round the charge up to 15 dollars, this way I always have an extra couple hundred dollars in my acct at any given time.
I wrote them and explained the situation and I haven’t heard back from them yet. I was just wondering if anyone has had the same problem with this company.

I also had a similar problem with PCTools.com. I purchased a product from them and then cancelled after a month. Then I found out 3 months later they were still charging my account. Luckily I still had the cancellation email and confirmation number which verified when it was cancelled, so they had no choice but to reimburse me.

If I don’t get any results from FreeCreditReport.com, I’ll take the issue up with Visa since they cover all purchases made, I’m sure they’ll be able to get a refund for me. (I hope!)

Does anyone else have any horror stories regarding online purchases? I’ve made a few purchases over the years using Amazon, Ebay, TigerDirect, to name a few. And I’ve never had any problems dealing with these companies. Since then I’ve purchased a pre-paid Visa card to use specifically for online purchases, (aside from bill payments, utilities, car insurance, etc) This way only the money I put in the account can be taken out, and I don’t have to worry about my checking account being drained without my knowledge.

Just remember:
F R E E does not spell “Free” with credit report dot come baby!
:evil:


Hey CR - that is a catchy commercial but not the way to go. This is the free credit report site consumers should be using once a year to obtain their free report. You only have to pay a nominal fee to see your score, which is normal. I don’t chose to see my score. I have used this site the last 2 years to obtain my report and my parents reports too without any problems. I fill out the info and send it right to my printer, voila!

https://www.annualcreditreport.com/cra/index.jsp

“we’ll take your money dot com, baby!”


freecreditreport.com is a CHARGE site. Avoid them! That’s the one with those highly annoying commercials playing every ten seconds on every tv and radio station in the country. Why pay for this service when it supposed to be free??

The legitimate FREE site is the annualcreditreport.com site in post #200. It’s actually is free unless you want your numbered score which costs $7.95. You can get one free report every four months if you only use one reporting service at a time. I just rotate through them - Transunion, Experian, Equifax.

https://www.annualcreditreport.com/cra/index.jsp


They state on their site that they’ll only charge you if you don’t cancel within 7 days. I cancelled after I got all the information I needed, 3 days. I didn’t realize they had been charging my account each month until several months later when I had to get a new visa check card and they notified me that they cancelled my acct for non payment. They still haven’t contacted me yet. I’m going to keep calling and writing them until I get this issue resolved.
Whatever you do, do bother using this service unless you use a “pre-paid” credit card and only have a small amount of money on it. What a rip off!

Thanks for the info….I’ll use them instead.


CR67-
If they are ignoring your requests to cancel the account and still charging you, inform them you will file a fraud complaint if they persist, then do it.

FTC complaints:
https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup

IC3 complaints:
http://www.ic3.gov/


The manager at the Broadway Flying J gas station just lied to me. I pumped my gas, and noticed the price was not 3 cents cheaper from using my loyalty rewards card as usual.

I took the receipt inside to ask, and was told Flying J corporation had ended this 10-year old customer loyalty program without notifying anyone (the discount card worked just last week). Now you have to spend at least $10 a month in their overpriced junk food to earn a 3 cent gas discount, how economically stupid does the Flying J corporation think I am?

I told the manager to pass it up to his corporate officers that their discount card was the only reason I frequented Flying J anymore. He claimed they still had the lowest gas, saying the Maverick up the street was $3.99 a gallon (FJ was $3.97).

I drove up Broadway to check, and in fact both the Kicks 66 and Maverick stations are at the same $3.97 a gallon as Flying J.

I guess I will start to buy all my gas at Maverick since I have a 3 cent off loyalty card there still. Since the Flying J corporation does not appreciate customer loyalty anymore, and they failed to notify customers they canceled this decade old program (not even a sign at the pump), and the local Flying J manager lied to my face, I will no longer buy gas at Flying J.

Does anyone know the cheapest place and method to buy gas in Idaho Falls? Maverick with their lowest gas price match and 3 cent discount card appears the cheapest now.


Guest - I’m sorry about your experience at Flying J. It bugs me that more places won’t give discounts for cash. The other day I was reading a news report that said with the fees that the credit card companies charge the gas stations for using their cards, they have actually made more profits than the station owners lately. If it costs the station 2% (or more) to process a credit card, I think those who pay cash should get a rebate. Otherwise those who pay as they go are subsidizing those who buy on credit. I don’t think that’s right.

If you buy very much gas I know of a way to save 10%. That’s 40 cents per gallon at the current price of about $4.

Both Smith’s and Fred Meyer are having a tax stimulus promotion. I think it goes through the end of July. If you buy a $300 gift card they will add another 10% making the value $330 for the cost of $300. You can buy up to $1200 worth of the cards, all at once or in $300 increments.

The cards can be used in the stores or at the gas pumps. If all you use the card for is gas, you are getting $330 worth of gas for $300. The only catch is that you are pre-paying but most people will buy $300 worth of gas within a couple of months at the most.

When you buy the $300 card Smith’s will also give you a coupon you can use one time to get another 15 cents off per gallon. However, when you use the card in the store you will not get their normal gas discount for spending certain amounts since you got a gas discount coupon when you bought the card. I hope that makes sense.

At Fred Meyer you can also get a 10 cent per gallon discount for each $100 you spend in the store during a calendar month. The discount is good until the end of the following month.

I hope this helps someone. I bought a card for each store and will probably buy another one before the promotion ends.


This story about a traveler’s horrible Idaho Falls Wal-Mart experience made the top 10 Digg.com stories today:

http://stonecipher.typepad.com/the_stonecipher_report/2008/06/a-quick-note-fr.html

He does not say which Wal-Mart, whether Ammon or West side, but given that he is traveling from Oregon and on up to Montana through here, I am guessing it was the West side Wal-Mart off Broadway.

To summarize, they made him wait 25 minutes for an oil change, then he checked his own oil and it was empty. He asked them if they changed it, and the girl said she did it herself. Quote: “Yep, I know it was, cause I did it myself.”

When he asked the girl why his low oil light was on, she replied: “Well we don’t reset the meter in any of those Japanese cars”. Uh-huh. Red flags should be going off everywhere.

When it was pointed out the dipstick showed no oil, the girl changed her story, pulled the mechanic in and asked why he did not change the oil. The mechanic first claimed he was only asked to pull the car inside, not to change the oil (why would you only do that?) Then he claimed the Honda Civic was a confusing foreign car and he apparently did not understand how to change the oil.

It is painfully obvious that both this counter girl and mechanic blatantly lied to this customer. I hope a local Wal-Mart manager puts a boot in their rears over this, and points all their employees to this thing called the Internet where their misdeeds do not go unnoticed.

So the lesson here is do not take your vehicle to Idaho Falls Wal-Mart for any automotive work because they will charge you, they will not do the work, then they will lie over and over to your face unless you can prove they are lying, at which point they will conjure up the lamest excuses ever.

Typical Wal-Mart experience. What have your Wal-Mart experiences been like?


I had a similar experience with Wal-Mart in Sept of 2007. I took my truck in for some needed repairs as it was a holliday and all of the other businesses I would have normally used were closed. I needed to pick up some items and needed an oil change as well as a valve stem on one of my wheels replaced. I was going to be traveling very early in the morning and returning late at night so I figured I would kill two birds with one stone. I dropped off my truck, picked up the groceries that I needed and returned to pick up my truck. I was told that it would still be a while as they were busy. I realized it was a holliday so I made arraingements for someone to pick me up and return later. I returned shortly before the tire/lube shop closed and picked up my truck.
As I was leaving the parking lot I heard a strange noise from under the hood and stopped in the turn lane to investigate. As I opened the hood of my truck I immediatley realized the problem. They had forgotten to replace the oil fill cap (and had just laid it on the top of the engine I am assumming). The oil cap fell from the engine into the cooling fan blades, causing two of the five blades to break as well as damaging the oil cap beyond use. I immediatley returned to the store and pointed out the problem to them and they acted as if I had caused the damage myself. They then asked if I could find another oil cap in town and pick it up. Now I have managed a retail store locally and felt that if this situation had happened while I was working we (the company) would have replaced the cap and fan without question as the employee caused the damage and tried to make up the inconvienence to the customer. Instead, I had to find another ride, as the one that had dropped me off had already left, to find an oil cap from a parts store. I then had to drive my truck the next day with a broken cooling fan. I contacted several dealers in the valley and none of them had a fan in stock, but would order one in. I was forced to drive my truck for three more days with the broken fan, which the dealers said was not advised due to being off balance which could cause premature wear of the bearing on the shaft that connects the engine to the fan. The bill was about $300.00 which I had to fork out of my pocket hoping to be reimbursed by Wal-Mart.

I had to miss several hours of work for which I am paid hourly, not salary. My job at the time was in Blackfoot and in order to get there I needed to drive my truck which was being fixed.

After the dealer fixed the fan I took the repair bill to the management in Wal-Mart on Utah and was reimbursed, but was still forced to pay for the oil change that caused all of the problems in the first place.
Like I mentioned before, I used to manage a retail store and we believed that if you give the customer good service he/she MIGHT tell one or two people but if you give the customer a poor sevice they WILL tell at least ten people. I have told at least 10 peopel and now I have reached out and told how many more?

I would not recommend ever taking any vehicle to Wal-Mart on Utah for any reason.


I find it interesting in that the traveler said the “ONLY” place to change his oil was at the Wal-mart and that he had to get it done there because there would be no place with service for 100 miles. He is making it sound like we are some small town sitting in the middle of nowhere with nothing but a Wal-mart! I thought we were quite civilized but maybe not to the “big city” traveler!

I have been getting my oil changed at Wal-mart for 3 years now and have never had any problems with them as compared the last time I used Jiffy Lube and my mini-van leaked oil like crazy and I had to have my mechanic fix it. I am not saying they have the best customer service but I personally have been satisfied with the customer service I have received.


I have mixed experiences with Stuff Marts, they tend to be low-end and not very good quality merchandise or customer service (hence the super low prices).

I truly hope they care enough to thoroughly investigate that situation and rectify any customer service issues.


I would never take a vehicle of mine to wal mart for ANY type of repair, even something as simple as an oil change. I’ve always found wal mart to be lacking in the cusotmer service department, mainly because you “get what you pay for”. Wal mart is good for getting in and getting out for the basic everyday goods everyone needs. No more, no less.


I agree with CR67 (and so nice to see your smiling face here again, metaphorically speaking!) but I do think sometimes people (not on this site, but I read some of the comments on the original site Guest linked us to) have a “knee jerk” reaction to WalMart, that it is evil and everything about it is “bad”…..

Honestly, I think Walmart has a necessary place in our society as I think that some people really can’t afford to buy their food and other basic necessities anywhere else . . . .I also know that their prescription drug program has allowed many people (especially the elderly) to buy their prescriptions at a low cost.

But I doubt I would trust my car to Walmart……it’s not their “thing” which is why I head off to JiffyLube….is that not open on Sunday?? the original poster said his “only option” in IF was to go to Walmart.

BTW, why wouldn’t you change your oil before heading out on a long road trip?


I’m with Nemesis and Cr67, you get what you pay for. I won’t even buy my produce and meat there. I sure wouldn’t get an oil change there.


Thank you Easterner, I appreciate that!
Both you and hmmm make some very good points. I’m not sure if Jiffy Lube is open on Sundays, I’m leaning towards no, but like Easterner pointed out, I always make sure to change my oil and top off all fluids in my vehicle before taking a road trip. But regardless of the reason they needed to stop at WalMart for an oil change, I’d like to say “thank you” to Guest for your comments and for informing the public of the shabby auto service this person received. That’s what this post is for and hopefully a WalMart employee will notice these comments and appropriate action will be taken to ensure this type of issue won’t happen again.

I also agree with the produce and meat comment at WalMart. Although they recently started selling this pretty decent brand of beef called “Steak house brand steaks & ground beef” (I think that’s what it’s called?) their produce has always been terrible at both WalMarts. I like to frequent Fred Meyers (or sometimes Smiths) for my produce & meat products. Fred Meyers, although a little pricey, always seem to have the best looking and freshest produce around. But again, you get what you pay for. :)


I’ve got a beef with the Post Offices in Idaho Falls.
Has anyone else noticed that they’ve removed the stamp machines from both Post Offices? I don’t mail too many things these days other than the occassional birthday card and I pay most of my bills online. It just so happens that I ended up needing two stamps yesterday and since I was downtown I thought I would stop in the Post Office and buy them out of the machine. I get in there and the machine is gone and the line is 10 deep. No sign explaining where the machine had gone, it was like the machine was never there. It was a strange Twilight Zone moment! So I head over to the east side Post Office and run into the same problem. Had aliens abducted the stamp machines from Idaho Falls? How could a Post Office of all places not have a stamp machine? Were the brownies I had eaten earlier playing tricks on my mind? No, that wasn’t it. But wait, this branch had a machine where you could purchase a book of stamps and/or some international postage. But what am I going to do with a book of stamps I ask? By the time I use them all the price of stamps will have risen another 4 or 5 times making my stamps useless anyways. Sure I could purchase some penny stamps but where, they’ve removed the machine. This line was even longer (probably of people wanting to buy a stamp!) and I didn’t have time to wait 15-20 minutes to purchase 2 stamps. This is madness I thought. What kind of Post Office removes their stamp machines? Lack of government funding? Did masked burgulars sneak in and remove said stamp machines? Maybe I was just imagining it and they’ve never had stamp machines. No, that wasn’t it.
I pondered my predicament as I wandered through the produce section at Smiths and then it hit me. After paying for my groceries I stopped by the customer service counter where a very nice women sold me 2 stamps. Gasp! Who would have thought you could buy stamps at a grocery store easier than you could at the Post Office? My problem was solved and my nephew will receive his birthday card.

So, does anyone know the mystery behind the disappearing stamp machines?


I will not shop at the Jiffy Mart on Elm ST. next door to Hot Diggity Dog anymore. Once I came in with a dollars worth of pennies, I asked if one of the owners of the store, who was working at the counter that day, if I could have a couple of penny rolls soI could roll them up for her. Her response: “I don’t give out penny rolls, we are not a bank”…Rude as all hell. I told her, that “What, it costs maybe two cents a penny roll, if even a cost at all”. She told me to F Off, and not to come in anymore. I gave her all of my change, left it on the counter, told her that she could buy some penny rolls for her selfish reasons, and left. She came outside as I was leaving and said these are yours and threw them on ground. HA, I wonder who had to pick them up. I didnt let this bother me too ,much however. I came in again, about three months later, and she said to me: The Pope right?, huh I said. “The Pope!!!?. Geeze lady, I said yes the Pope. She relaxed and said good, good. What now I have to be Catholic to shop there? Her Son, is always asking me if I need help, every 2 minutes. When I come up to pay for my items, I usually have to wait ten or more minutes because of a so called “Important Call”. There prices are much higher then any so called “Mart”, that I now take my biss’ elsewhere. Her husband, calls me a “Hi Big Boy”, I was big, now I’ve lost all that weight, so when I came in last, he was there, and it felt great to say, hello Big Boy, how are you today?. He wasn’t too happy with the remark…oh booo hooo, I should have offerd him a tissue. The sodas anb drinks, are warm, especially in the summer. Hey Jiffy Mart, I have an idea, why don’t you cool up the drinks a little more, so you have a reason for the outragoes price on them, so you can make more of a profit…DAH! Anyway, who’s the one who is un-appriciated now. What goes aroun d, comes around. I have had many friends tell me the same things about this store. So I know what I am talking about. I am not worried about slander, as I can prove otherwise. Get over yourselves Jiffy Mart, and put your egos back in your pockets. No Kudos for Jiffy Mart, and buyer beware. All other stores in this town have treated me with respect, as I treat them. No wonder Jiffy Mart is about to go under, from what I hear. Oh…isn’t that just too damn bad.


Re: Comment #214: The stamp machines were taken out because they were so old and breaking down. It was difficult to get replacement parts, making them more trouble than they were worth.


I had the same reaction to the Post Office stamp machines. A POST OFFICE where you can’t buy STAMPS!!?!?! Sometimes you just gotta say, WTF??

Thankfully, Smith’s Food King, right down the street, always has stamps available. There is also a ship and copy place right next to them where you can mail your packages after the P.O.’s normal hours and weekends.


A complaint about Teton Spectrum Racing.

I took my son and three of his friends there. I had a coupon book that the elementary schools give out that has five buy one get one free race things in it as well as a few other buy one get one free things from TSR. It does say only one punch per visit but as I’ll explain they would have made a lot more money off of me if they hadn’t been such jerks about it.

As I’m signing up the kids for racing they asked if they could have some game tokens too. So I asked if I could use the book on those too when it was also obviously clear I was going to use it on the races. He said I could and punched me out one of the stamps for buy ten tokens get ten free. I saved a whole $2.50. Then though even though he knew I’d been intending to use the card for the races he wouldn’t let me use it pointing to the one stamp per visit part. So I couldn’t use it and ended up having to pay full price for the kids to each get one race ($40).

Being very annoyed with the clerk I didn’t spend any more money so they made $42.50 on me today.

Before we went I’d hoped to use up all the buy one get one free punch cards. That would have been ten races and I’d have actually ended up spending over $50.00 on just the races. Then I’d have spent more money on tokens and the like. In all I’d probably have spent $75-$80. So they lost money by being sticklers to fine print. And they’ll lose money on me in the future as they left a bad taste in my mouth and I’m not sure I’ll be going back. Whereas they could have earned my repeat business if they’d let me use up the whole card.


I don’t understand how you can complain about something that you clearly knew about beforehand. Rules are rules and if they broke them for you, they’d have to break them for everyone and what would be the point in having rules anyway if their not going to be enforced.
I don’t think your complaint is valid. The employee was only doing what he was supposed to do. And in the end you’re actually punishing your kids by not taking them back because of something that was clearly your fault. Interesting.


I used to work in a restaurant that used coupons and punch cards and the like, and it amazes me how cheap people are. So many people want everything for free, the rules on the cards and coupons are written for a reason. Obviously the business tries to entice business,giving the people a reduction by going in, and the business gets some new customers.
I would never think of throwing a tantrum (and ive seen people do it) to get something free that wasnt part of the rules. Generally i would read the fine print, and follow it and not expect to receive more than was intended.
I guess these people do read the fine print but want more.
Quit being cheapskates, how do you expect businesses to operate if they give everything for free.? Hard economic times have nothing to do with this attitude of trying to get everything for free……..these people are greedy.


Especially not taking your children there anymore because of it? Grow up lady and don’t make your children pay for the mistake you made.
I agree with comment 219, this isn’t a legitimate business complaint.


My kids still got to race but did you see the part where I made it apparent to the clerk I was going to use the coupon on the races and asked if I could also use it for tokens. He said yes and then said I couldn’t use it anymore when it came time to punch it again a few seconds later. I didn’t make it clear earlier but that I meant I had pay full prices on the races. In real dollars that meant I had to pay $7.50 more than I would have had the clerk punched the race part first. Not a huge amount of money but its the principle of the matter.