Senator Larry Craig Accused of Being Homosexual
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I want to first say I am not accusing anyone of anything and I personally don’t think there’s anything wrong with homosexuality (I’m planning to vote against the anti-gay-marriage proposal on this November’s ballot).
However, this is big new that’s breaking on digg.com, which means it will soon break across Idaho, so I am reporting what I’m reading.
Apparently Mike Rogers, a gay activist who has correctly outed other three other gay Republicans in the closet without mistake, is reporting that our own Senator Larry Craig is gay.
The digg story is here, the Daily Kos story on it is here and here (the Daily Kos is admittedly a liberal blog), and Mike Roger’s blog and accusations are here.
Among Rogers’ accusations is the following:
“I have done extensive research into this case, including trips to the Pacific Northwest to meet with men who have say they have physical relations with the Senator. I have also met with a man here in Washington, D.C., who says the same — and that these incidents occurred in the bathrooms of Union Station. None of these men know each other, or knew that I was talking to others. They all reported similar personal characteristics about the Senator, which lead me to believe, beyond any doubt, that their stories are valid.”
What does Larry Craig have to say about these allegations?
I’m sure (hope) our local news will be reporting on these allegations today or tomorrow.
What do you think?
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I was thinking of this last night, and comparing it to the Spokane Mayor Jim West who was staunchly Republican and turned out to be gay.
I think these “log cabin” Republicans know what side their bread is buttered on and so they have to vote in lockstep with the conservative party, even including the anti-gay legislation. They’re just doing what they gotta do to stay in favor with their party that keeps their jobs. It would be nicer if that weren’t so, but I don’t think I can fault them for that.
I can even understand keeping himself in the closet for so long, because when Larry Craig started his political career admitting homosexuality would have killed his political aspirations in Idaho immediately.
I don’t know if Idaho has come so far as to accept a gay senator now, but I know I don’t care.
If Larry Craig admits to being gay now, I wouldn’t care about that admission and I wouldn’t care that he kept it secret until now.
If Larry Craig denies being gay and sometime in the future it turns out he was, then I’ll be upset that he couldn’t be honest with us when he had the opportunity.
It’s not like it’s 1980 anymore.
Do you suppose this means that Vandersloot won’t be sending Larry a Christmas card this year?
The late Dr. Tommy Thompson related to me years ago that he and Larry Craig had been room mates in college (I forget where) but he didn’t mention any gay tendencies in Larry, and he surely would have, as Tommy was a bit of a homophobe.
I wonder which of our local news media will be the first to jump on this story.
I wonder which of our national news media will be the first to jump on this story. I’ve looked and looked and looked for any mention of this story in any local or national media, checking liberal (Washington Post, NY Times, LA Times) to conservative (WS Journal) and haven’t seen a lick. Nothing in any Idaho paper, aside from the Spokesman-Review, which buried it. Nothing in the Utah papers, which certainly would be all over this story, if it had any legs. Coming so soon after the Foley scandal, you’d think the media would be flying this from the flagpoles, especially with an angry denial which even the Spokesman-Review didn’t get. Or a no-denial. Aside from the Blogosphere, no one seems to be touching this story. Surely, if this story had any legs, we’d see them by now. If anyone has spotted anything to the contrary, let me know. Rogers’ record aside, I doubt his veracity. What he offers on his blog is vague at best. He’ll have to try hard to convince me he’s right. And I’ve never even voted for Larry Craig.
meso, can you say how you knew the late Dr. Tommy Thompson in this format?
I, too, have checked a lot of papers for further info on this story. I haven’t seen anything. I doubt the local media will move on it fast at all for a couple of reasons: 1. This is ALLEGED until Craig confirms it is true or someone with whom he had an “encounter” confirms it. 2. Just to be clear, my understanding was Foley was sexually inappropriate with minors. However, if I have understood the info correctly here, Sen. Craig has NOT been rumored to have kept company with minors. If I misunderstood, someone please correct me.
I can’t speak for the media, but I’m sure in weighing the pros and cons of the story - what does the public have the right to know vs. what MAY be just a rumor-there are many factors to be considered. If it were you and you were falsely accused of something (and I am not say Craig has been either falsely accused or it is an accurate story - I don’t know as I need more information), how would you feel to read about allegations about you in the local newspapers? How would you like to be the lead story on the local tv stations?
Granted, Craig and others in public service have put theirselves in the spotlight and are targets for all sorts of questions to pork barrel spending to allegations about their personal lives. But, what I really wonder is: WHAT DOES CRAIG’S SEXUAL PREFERENCE CHANGE OR MATTER TO YOU, IF IT IS WITH ADULTS? CAN HE STILL DO HIS JOB?
Finally, for me, it is really hard to think of losing a senior Senator, given the committee assignments and the potential good for the Senator’s home states he/she can do. I can’t remember all of the committees Sen. Craig is on, but I’d really hate to see a scandal damage his career to the point ID losses a more Sr. Senator. Whether or not he is gay, is really not my business, as long as it is not with kids.
And that reminds me I still have to write about one of my pet peeves, why hasn’t ID passed a Jessica’s Law? I have links that go directly to the governors of every state that has yet to pass it. I’m horribly embarrassed that the Intermountain West states (MT, WY, ID and UT) still have NOT passed a versuin if Jessica’s Law. What is wrong with our law makers that no legislation has gone through? Perhaps more importantly, what is wrong with us that we haven’t demanded it?
Neal Larson had this guy Rogers on the radio the other day. i don’t know if his reporting on Larry is true but t\rogers was all over the place and refused to answer to some fairly straight forward questions. One thing was for sure, he offered no solid proof and kept dodging larson’s questions by throughing out red herrings during the interview. I didn’t know if Larry is gay, and don’t care. This guy was openly hostile to republicans and it was clear he likes to stir the pot just to cause trouble.
It seems to me that it is the Republicans who are pandering to the likes of Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and Bill Bennett, to name a few, and stirring the pot to get out the vote. This right wing, religious power base seems to despise those who eschew their “family values”, Ozzie and Harriet lifestyles. Gay Republican congressmen who vote the party line may well retain this constituency of right wing nuts; but at what cost….their moral sense of right and wrong, their dignity, their honor?
Larry Craig has served his country and certainly his state with a modicum of professionalism but his following the party line and voting to deprive a minority (to which he apparently belongs) of the same rights that the rest of us cherish seems outright dishonest. Like Joe said, this isn’t 1980. I think Idahoans can accept a gay senator. I’m not so sure they can handle a dishonest hypocrite though.
Well finally a bite from the mainstream media. Corey Taule in this morning’s Post Register reports this denial from Craig’s press secretary:
“Let there be no doubt - his story is not true, his sources are purely fictional, it has no basis in reality.”
And this denial was issued from Craig’s office (though not heard from Craig):
“This story is ridiculous, almost laughable. It has no basis in fact.”
So the ball is squarely in gay activist blogger Mike Rogers’ court to produce some evidence. Time to put up or shut up.
Sigh … I guess IFZ.com is dishing out the dirty laundry now.
No offense, Joe, but printing this story is just wrong. I personal don’t care if our representatives are gay or not, I care if they are effective leaders. Whom you go home to at night shouldn’t matter.
Our current obsession with finding out every politician and celebrity’s skeletons is absurd. Let the man be gay (if he is), for God’s sake!
Ehhh, the Statesman printed this story and it was dugg to the front page at digg.com when I saw it, so I figured it was worthy of mention.
IFz is different things to different people. Some people want to discuss our dying downtown, others want to debate religion, others want to discuss ideas to improve our community, and others want to discuss local politics.
And that’s the beauty of IFz, if you don’t like one story, there’s others you will like. So long as it’s something important to locals, I think it should be published, especially if our other media ignore it.
You have the power to focus the direction of discussion by commenting. You fed this discussion with your comment. If you don’t like it, don’t feed it.
Wake up agwriter…..farmers and consumers alike want cheap labor prices…this keeps food prices low. But at what cost? I for one would be willing to pay more for legal guest workers that were monitored rather than the illegal immigration mess that impairs this nation’s security. We will all end up spending more in the long run than if we spent a little bit more now to put a dent in the problem.
Another point to bring up that is backed up by statistics…the American farm is no longer run by the mom and pop operation. It is a big business and operated by corporations that are not beholden to the United States…they are beholden to their share holders and making money. We have to reign this in and exert control over business that is willing to sell out the country to make a buck. Unfettered capitalism is NOT a good thing in my book. Sen. Craig his priorities and in my opinion, he appears to be beholden to the campaign buck given by ag corporations that line his pocket so he can stay in office. So, who is the spoiled brat now? In my view, it’s Craig. He has a tin ear to the concerns about the immigration bill and is blindly marching lock step.
Lo and behold it turns out Idaho Senator Larry “Lewdy” Craig (yes he has legally earned the title now so keep your lawyers on leash, Lewdy) was arrested for lewd conduct in the men’s room of Minnesota airport.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1887377/posts
Now then this is the same Lewdy Craig who denied reports of being homosexual, calling the allegations “completely ridiculous” and having “no basis in fact”.
Looks like Lewdy Craig has been living a lie.
What else has he lied to us about?
And Larry’s response is apparently to deny again.
KPVI was apparently first to run Craig’s official response:
“At the time of this incident, I complained to the police that they were misconstruing my actions. I was not involved in any inappropriate conduct. I should have had the advice of counsel in resolving this matter. In hindsight, I should not have pled guilty. I was trying to handle this matter myself quickly and expeditiously.”
Riiiiight. Pleading guilty to a misdemeanor disorderly conduct and taking a year probation was how he thought it best to handle it himself? Riiiiight.
Ok, from the story, here are three things the arresting officer stated Craig did to spur the arrest:
1 - Craig kept peeking through the man’s bathroom stall for two minutes. Hey straight guys, how often do you do that?
2 - Craig placed his bag against the stall door when he did enter the neighboring stall. Heck, I would probably put it there also, but the officer noted this was in context of other things, and often was used by men engaged in lewd activities.
3 - Craig kept tapping his foot and moving his foot closer to the officer’s, under the stall separator. The officer said this is a common signal between perverts.
4 - Craig actually moved his foot over so far as to touch the officer’s foot completely in the other stall. Anyone do this normally?
5 - Craig “swiped his hand under the stall divider several times”. Anyone do this normally?
Craig told the arresting officers he either didn’t agree or didn’t recall the events. Uhhh, he’s supposed to be so smart, which is it?
The dude is clearly a fraud, but let’s start hearing his apologists.
I agree. I hope Jim Risch or Mike Simpson can get the nomination and push Craig out to pasture. This has been a very long time coming. Larry has been in Washington too long as it is. His last stance on the immigration issue was blind allegiance to those that cared about profit over the United States security.
I truly hope the voters have a long memory and Larry Craig becomes a memory very soon as well.
Another way to tell Larry is lying: his press release yesterday claims he was trying to handle this matter quickly on his own and without the advice of a lawyer.
Sounds like poor Larry got rushed into a bad decision, right? They must have put the spurs to him and taken him to court right after his arrest, ehhh?
Nope. He was arrested June 11, he went to court August 8. Larry had 24 days to think it over, consult with any of hundreds of attorneys he probably came in contact with during that time, and choose his best strategy.
He pled guilty because he knew the cop had witnessed enough suspicious behaviors to warrant arrest. Now that it’s public he wants to claim the officer “misconstrued” his actions.
More lies from Larry Craig.
Should a recall petition be started for his lies, for his getting arrested in such a low situation, for being on probation for a year?
Or is this acceptable for Idaho “leadership”?
Yeah, that is pretty amazing that this sat still for so long. The point about the 24 days between arrest and appearance in Court was a good one. Larry plead guilty and now wants to back out? He had plenty of time and resources to defend himself. If indeed he rushed to a decision on how to plead it shows incompetence and poor judgment. Maybe Larry Lyon and Larry Craig can get together and ponder the error of their ways.
Yeah the 24 days from arrest to pleading guilty was plenty of time for anyone to not feel rushed into a judgment.
For Larry to even offer the excuse that he wasn’t able to consult an attorney insults the intelligence of every Idahoan.
This is not like jaywalking or a parking ticket. Our senator committed a serious crime. What if you had taken your kid into that bathroom for a potty break, and our Idaho senator was in the next stall getting it on?
Should he resign?
Should a recall petition be started if he refuses to resign?
Seems to me Joe needs to stop letting his EMOTIONS run this site and start being a little bit more professional.
I’m on an “intranet” at work and there are 4 other people here that visit Idahofallz.com. Being on an intranet means all of us have the same IP address. I go to visit the site this morning and find that I can’t make any comments in the chatbox. NOR can I log in with my username & password. After reading through the chatlog, I notice a co-worker of mine was the one having a “friendly” discussion with another poster in the chatbox.
So, instead of Joe giving them a warning….he just decides to ban them. Now I have to pay for the comments SOMEONE else made. Whatever happened to free speech Joe? Sure its your site and you can do what you want, but how about putting a warning system in place. YOu could have just as easily said, “Hey guys, gals, posters, or people that keep my site up and running, please watch it, your crossing the line here as we don’t discuss religion on this site”. EVEN THOUGH, somebody posted a comment on the Seminary & Choir posting just yesterday! Did you ban THAT person Joe? I don’t think so. Personally I could care less if religion is discussed on this site, but don’t punish me for someone elses chat dialog or discussion, just because I’m on a network that has the same IP address as four other posters that visit your site.
Thanks alot Joe! This is the second time this has happened to me and quite frankly it’s getting old. You constantly let your emotions run this site. I’ve known quite a few posters that have stopped visiting this site because of this issue alone. Perhaps it’s time I take a break as well and find someplace that’s a little less controlling, and doesn’t feel the need to monitor every single word we type.
It’s not my problem your business won’t feed individual IP addresses.
Either go talk to your supervisor and point out the offender so they can monitor that person’s visits to IFz, or send me your employment and the person responsible so I can contact them.
There is no such thing as completely free speech dude. All speech as some restrictions. I let a lot of raucous stuff go on here, but get upset if some jerks violate the 2 or 3 tiny rules we have.
Looking forward to your email.
I say they are jerks cuz they keep breaking the simple rules of one website. You say this has happened before, maybe the problem is more with your co-worker than with my emotions?
You don’t see or know my side of it. The website is for sale if anyone thinks they can run it better.
BTW, you can feel free to chat from home under a different IP address. I strongly encourage you to approach your boss or that co-worker.
Jeez CR671, nice rant. I am also on an intranet and have been banned before. The way I handled it was to e-mail Joe and explain myself and he allowed me back. It was no big deal and I didn’t blame Joe for banning me in the first place. I believe he has a pretty thankless job running this site and sometimes he needs to be proactive to keep things under control.
As far as the person posting in the “Seminary and Choir” thread, their comments were not religious in nature so why should they be banned? Apparently at least one of the posters didn’t realize it was an old thread. I don’t blame Joe for limiting religious discussion. I wish it weren’t that way either. But almost every time the topic came up in the past, the discussion became counter-productive. If you have a problem with Joe I’m sure you could respectfully work it out if you tried. If you don’t like his rules you can start your own website. It’s a free country.
Read the chat dialog in the chatbox and tell me what was offensive about that? Joe could have just as easily given those posters a warning. But instead he went off on them & then banned them. Which in turn affected me.
It’s ok for him to resort to calling names, but let one of us do it, and see what happens.
I appreciate the work Joe does on this site, but there are times like this one, that he lets his emotions get the best of him instead of acting in a more professional manner.
The same thing happened to me. When I explained it to Joe in an e-mail instead of openly slamming him on his own website he let me come back. It was just a misunderstanding. Try to put yourself in his shoes. It sounds like he has had a lot of spam in the chatbox lately and he is just trying to stay on top of it. I for one appreciate all of the good things he does and nobody is perfect.
I thought I heard that he was arrested in June, and but didn’t appear until August. If that’s so, he had almost 60 days instead of 30 days.
By the way Joe, good work. I appreciate the site. I have thought that sometimes my remarks have been pushing the envelope, but only a little.
CR671: Where do you work that you are allowed to use work time for visiting and chatting on this Site? Where I used to work, that was grounds for dismissal — using Company computers for personal use.
Funny how so many people come out of the woodwork to throw in their “jabs” when somebody posts a problem or issue with Joe or his site. CR works for me at my company and he’s more than welcome to use whatever time he has to do what he wants online or off, as long as his work for me is done. I run a very small business with only 6 employees and he’s one of the best employees I’ve ever had bar none.
We need to stop with all the self righteous judgemental comments on this site. I agree with CR on this one (of course) Joe banned him for something someone else did. I personally didn’t see anything wrong with the discussion in the chatbox, only people expressing their views and/or opinions. But anyone that’s spent more than a year on this site as a regular would know, at times that’s frowned upon here.
As for PAH’s remark: We wouldn’t want him to defend himself would we? Sheesh!
Hey, let’s stay on topic. If you go to the smoking gun website, http://www.thesmokinggun.com/, you can read the exact arrest report and a few follow up documents. Judge for yourself. Gotta love this site for putting the real paperwork up a lot of the time!
Two Minnesota police officers, one of them the arresting officer, entered official statements that Craig approached them on June 22, eleven days after the arrest and about two weeks before Craig plead guilty.
Craig was described as rude and demeaning to the officers, saying he had been dragged down into a mess, and demanding contact information “for his lawyer”.
Two weeks later he plead guilty.
Yesterday he claimed he plead guilty without the advice of a lawyer.
Huh?
Today he claims he does have a lawyer, and will look into the matter?!?! He already plead guilty, he cannot appeal it can he?
Today he blamed the media (the Statesman) for harassing him to the point that he was so stressed out that he did not know how to conduct himself when arrested for lewd conduct? (yes, the charges were not lewd conduct but the arrest report was)
Mitt Romney dumped Craig from his campaign in a heartbeat. Leading Republican senators are calling for an ethics investigation into Craig’s wrongdoings. Letters are pouring in from all over the country, ALL opposed to Craig. Even uber conservative Bryan Fischer thinks Craig should resign.
But Craig thinks he can fight this and win.
Sooooo, how do we go about starting the recall petition?
I think Craig will resign eventually over this. No recall necessary.
Also, my two cents on the religion thing. I think in this case religion has to be talked about to a small extent because what makes this particularly juicy is that Craig has been hailed so long by the religious right as bastion of morality and a fighter in the crusade against gays. Now he is exposed as a hypocrite. So you have to talk about the religion aspect a bit from that angle IMO. Its easy for it to devolve in religion bashing if folks aren’t careful but not mentioning religion in this topic would be like not mentioning religion in why the Pilgrims fled to the United States.
Okeydokey, I see that point. I also restored the IP addresses if that workplace checks again. There are plenty of small references that I let go by, because they tend to be germane to the discussion, and mentioned in passing. It’s just a quick slippery slope down into a mudpit with it that we have to watch for.
I don’t know, Larry sounded like he wants to fight it out, drag everyone through an arduous process. What did he say, “it’s not over yet”?
Its also funny that he blames the Idaho Statesman for this.
I think he quietly plead guilty in hopes that this would never get out. If he hired a lawyer and made a case out if it then it would be guaranteed to make the press. As is, I think he gambled that maybe no one would notice. And frankly I’m shocked it took this long to get out. I can’t believe no one at the police made an anonymous call to the media. But then again it goes back to what I’ve said about our local media’s inability to discover stories. All media are essentially blind and only find out the stories that people tell them about or are so big and obvious that they can’t be missed.
Joe, you think we should impeach him. For what? Being gay? Attempting a liaison with someone he thought was gay? He got a misdemeanor citation for disturbing the peace/lewdness in public. If we don’t impeach Bush/Cheney for getting us into an unwinnable war that’s cost us billions and killed nearly a million people then this seems like a trivial impeachment cause celebre. Hey, Joe, this is what gay people do…attempt to hook up with other gays. Unless we’re willing to start impeachment procedings against every straight politician who attempts a connection with his office gal, then I say what’s the big deal. On the other hand I wouldn’t be averse to impeaching him for his voting record on gay rights issues. Hypocrites are the bottom feeders in my opinion.
Whoa!
I just now for the first time listened to his press conference. Did you catch the slip Craig made?
He said he chose to plead guilty to a “lesser charge.” That means there was a pending higher charge meaning there is obviously more to the story than there appears. He obviously took a plea bargain in exchange to keep the real story from getting out.
He is right about one thing. This issue is not over. The truth is still out there and waiting to be told.
And LMAO at the comments from spectators at the end. “C’mon Larry be gay.”
I think what he meant was that he had two charges and by pleading guilty they dropped one. The dropped charge was invasion of privacy for his 2-minute eyeballing of the cop sitting on the toilet.
Unless I’m mistaken and there was more, but I think that is what he meant.
This was the top story for five minutes on NBC, probably other networks also.
Should some senior Idaho Republicans pay a visit to Larry, in the manner senior Republicans visited Nixon and told him to give up the struggle?
Bisexuality doesn’t exist. You are either straight or your gay. There is no in between. You can choose to go against your primary attraction but that doesn’t mean your suddenly equally attracted to both sexes. It just mean your environmental conditioning is such that your not adverse to trying new things. Trysexual would be a better term for it.
As to Craig, I think he is gay but he was brought up to believe being gay is morally wrong (religion) so he chose to go against his primary attraction and live a hetero lifestyle. But he has trouble resisting the urges of true attraction so he ends up in bathrooms. Which is where lots of gay married men end up.
So there is choice involved but choice is what do you do about your primary attraction. Its not a choice of what is your primary attraction.
Part of me feels sorry for Craig for the tormented life he must have led. But any sorrow is drowned out at disgust over his hypocrisy.
Disturbing Thoughts,
In Post #52 you wrote,
“Disturbing Thoughts said:
August 29th, 2007 at 12:08 am
Bisexuality doesn’t exist. You are either straight or your gay. There is no in between. You can choose to go against your primary attraction but that doesn’t mean your suddenly equally attracted to both sexes. It just mean your environmental conditioning is such that your not adverse to trying new things. Trysexual would be a better term for it.”
Since you appear to be an expert, please cite your sources to back up your opinion. I’d like to read more.
I realize the new word is “Metrosexual,” but couldn’t edit my comment.
Looking forward to reading more of the scietific studies of what you know to be the truth. As well as maybe your own practice experience seeing patients, since no one is bisexual, per you.
I don’t agree with you Disturbing Thoughts, but I am willing to read your sources and your own personal professional experience working with people who are what you say they are, and aren’t what you say they aren’t.
My bet is that Craig resigns this coming Tuesday, September 4th.
He has internationally humiliated himself, his family, the Senate, and all Idahoans.
He has tried to use his position to weasel out of his own trouble.
He was obviously up to no good in that restroom (read his reactions to the cop busting him).
His explanation was weak, and he did no good for himself by blaming a newspaper for his troubles.
His own homies are distancing themselves from him.
He has now lost his leadership positions on several committees.
I think he will resign next Tuesday. My thinking is that people he knows and trusts are talking to him and helping him understand he is finished politically.
If he does not resign, a recall petition can start any day now. I think he will give it over the holiday weekend and resign on Tuesday.
Do you think he will resign, and when?

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Wow! So, do you suppose his anti-gay votes on those issues of gay rights were meant as a smoke screen so he could remain closeted and get re-elected in conservative Idaho, or were they votes of conscience? My gut tells me it’s the former. I may have a hard time voting for him again, not because of his alleged homosexuality but because of his apparent hypocrisy.