Coping with the Pocatello teen tragedy

Oh, great. The guy is a heavy metal fan. It’ll be the W. Memphis Three all over again

I teared up reading the most recent comments of Cassie’s page. If you scroll down, you can find a few comments from before she was killed … some about how some of her friends miss her over the summer, some about how they’re sad they didn’t say goodbye on the last day of school. It’s very sobering, to be able to see stages in someone’s life like that - and this should be a message to all of us. We are not given a guarantee on how long we are allowed to live this life - never take one second for granted.

With all due respect to fellow e-friend, Jeremy (and others) who appropriately use MySpace, I honestly think it should be closed.

People who are motivated for the right reason to use a page like that will use the newer pages, such as “spaces” from Microsoft, or others.

This is a terrible tragedy. Please make sure your own are safe. I’ve had this talk previously with teenagers very closely related to me, but not my own children. However, it is time to talk again with perhaps a little stronger emphasis of a local tragedy. And while I don’t like to doubt my own blood relatives, I’m doing a search to see if I can bring up any information online about 3 pre-teens/teens about whom I am most concerned.

Maybe my actions are extreme, but one of those I’m researching witnessed the stabbing in Tautphaus Park not long ago. I haven’t a clue of what that teen was there and will do all I can to influcenc parents/teen to review some choices. I would like to see that teen, along with others, make it to their high school graduation and many other milestones people experience in life. However, the teens/pre-teens have to BE ALIVE to experience those wonderful things that await them in life.

It’s just hard to believe that a boy who is against cruelty to animals (see Draper’s blog) could commit so brutal a murder. I don’t know anything about the other boy, but what could lead so such violence and why????? What evil influence led these boys (aledgedly) to brutally stab a classmate for no apparent reason? How involved in their lives were the parents of these boys? There are lots of questions that need to be asked of these boys, their parents and family and a lot of community soul-searching as well as to how we let these kids fall through the cracks when they obviously were deeply disturbed.

I have been following this case because it is close to home and near where my in-laws live. Some very odd high-profile cases have occurred in Idaho over the past few years. I know it happens all over, but it’s so much more unsettling when it happens so near to you.

I happened upon this website & read the comments about this tragedy. I have to comment regarding the idea that these teen’s MySpace pages are where some of the blame lies in the actions these teens commit. I don’t think unrestricted use to any internet site is safe for any child. But, I think the fact that MySpace is not as monitored as some think it should be is the reason that teens, and adults, are able to post the things about themselves that they do. It is an outlet to post maybe deep feelings that they have, that they want others to hear and know, that they wouldn’t otherwise reveal. If parents do take the time and concern to allow their children to post, but also to monitor what they’re saying, they could learn a lot more about their children than what they’re willing to reveal otherwise. There is a website called mydeathspace.com that collects MySpace pages from people who submit information on people that have died (or even people who have murdered) and still have live MySpace pages. It is very interesting to read through a person’s thoughts and actions before the tragedy. Some reveal very little, but some blatantly reveal that a person is headed towards some kind of danger. Some teen’s pages show that they’re into drinking, partying, drugs. Some show the teens or adults with guns, or list their desires to do harm or live the life of a gangster. Some, sadly, have blogs that detail the path to a suicide, with the intense pain these young people are going through. I can’t help but think that if a parent or friend had taken the time to read what is sometimes like an open book into these people’s lives, and maybe stepped in, they could have helped to prevent the things that eventually can happen.

My teens have MySpace pages, but I also monitor their computer usage. Their computer is connected to our big screen living room TV, so not much is missed. But, my children are much more likely to divulge things they’re going through and feeling on their pages, than they are to me. I signed up a space for myself and, although it’s not necessary to have an account to view MySpace pages, my kids, and their friends, know it is a place they can go to talk to me. They email me and leave me comments and I have gotten to know quite a bit more about my kids, and their friends, than I feel I would have otherwise. Even some of my kids’ parents have spaces & we use it to talk to each other. If one parent sees something out of place, or knows something another parent should know, they know it’s easy to leave a message when they might not otherwise feel comfortable calling.

Ok4Now lists their concerns with MySpace and feels it should be closed, but do you realize that it is (presumably) MySpace and/or the internet in general that you are going to research some young people you are concerned about? Please realize that you just might find what you’re looking for! Whether it is good news and progress, or red flags that will help you to intervene and cause some change in a wayward life.

There are pros and cons to the internet and I certainly don’t like everything about it, especially not everything about MySpace. But it is an outlet that otherwise might not be there for young people wanting to vent. Allowing them that freedom, might help us learn what we need to know to keep them safe.
My prayers are with Cassie’s family and friends. I can’t even imagine what they are going through. It makes me want to lock my family in the house and never let them out! How unrealistic. What a crazy world we live in.

Thanks for letting me put my two cents in.

So Brian Draper was just found guilty of Cassie’s murder.

Apparently they only called one defense witness who only testified about 15 minutes.

The story is that Draper was trying to say he thought he was making a movie.

How stupid is this kid that he thinks we are so stupid to believe that?

How invincible did he think he was to go through a trial where he is on videotape in a discussion about just stabbing Cassie, and Cassie was found stabbed so many times?

I wish those kids could get the death penalty for what they did. At the very least I hope they get life in prison with no possibility of parole.

What are the odds that Torey Adamcik will try to cop a plea bargain now that he saw his accomplice go down so quickly?

yes myspace should me monitered by parents, no it should not be closed down, yes this would have happened whether myspace was around or not , and yes brian and torey need to spend the rest of their lives in prison.

I last read Adamcik’s trial would begin May 29. I also read part of the defense for Draper was that he was the not so bright follower who did whatever Adamcik told him (whatever). I didn’t think the tape revealed that at all, but I wasn’t on the jury to hear the whole case.

Lots of Journal blog info about the trial on this link:
http://www.pocatelloshops.com/blogs/jimmy.php

And then the other teen, Torey Adamcik was found guilty on both counts yesterday.

Both teens face life in prison, the only question apparently is how much will be fixed/mandatory.

Good riddance to a couple of the stupidest teenagers in southeast Idaho.

I had jury duty twice in Florida and twice in Arkansas. However I only got picked to actually serve once in each state. I personally found it very interesting and the time I served in Arkansas I was chosen to be the jury foreman. It was a very interesting 2nd degree murder case of which we sentenced the young man to 40 years in prison.
I can tell you that it’s a scary thing, being judged by “a jury of your peers”. The majority of people I’ve known over the years who have been called to serve have tried to find every reason in the book to get out of this very important duty. I enjoyed it even though I was losing out on a weeks pay and I had to be away from my friends & family for a week. I thought it was interesting to learn all the different techniques the prosecuter and the defense attorney use and just the whole trial process in general.

I thought it was an honor to serve and I went in fully prepared to give this person my utmost attention and the best possible judgement I could. It had to be a unanimous decision, “beyond a reasonable doubt”, that he was guilty of this crime. Once the trial was over and we heard both sides closing remarks and the judges instructions, we went back into the jury room to go over the case and all the evidence. Before you start, everyone has to agree on a jury foreman, of which I was lucky enough to be choosen. I was only 26 y/o at the time and I couldn’t believe they would pick me. There were a couple of older gentlemen and womem on the jury but they didn’t want the job so I accepted. We immediately took a vote to see where everyone stood and it was pretty much split down the middle. I could tell people didn’t want to be there and some changed their votes right away just to try and get out of there and get home. But being the foreman I insisted we go over all the evidence in order to be as fair as possible not only for the victims family, but for the man whose life we held in our hands. The trial lasted a week and we only got paid 8 bucks a day and free meals, so most jurors were in a bad mood already for missing out on a whole weeks pay. Yeah the money thing hurt me too, but I wasn’t going to let anybody walk out of that room until we went over everything and we all came to a unanimous decision without haste and to the best of our ability.

I can honestly say it was one of the most exciting and interesting things I’ve ever done. Sure it was boring at times sitting there for 9-10 hours a day just listening and trying to pay attention. After going through it though, I can honestly tell you it isn’t hard for somebody to fall asleep while sitting in that jury box all day. Its not like being at work were you’re at the office and actually doing something with your hands and your mind, talking with people and being able to get up and move around. It’s a long tedious day and you definately have to focus to stay alert.
We eventually agreed he was guilty after 6 hours of deliberating and we sentenced him to 40 years in prison.

To answer some of OK4Now’s questions: I honestly don’t know if I’d feel comfortable having 12 of my closest friends serve on my jury. I’ve had plenty of friends over the years try to come up with excuses not to serve on jury duty. People just hate being away from their family, friends, the comfort of their own homes etc.
However, there are not too many legitimate medical issues and even less work issues that will get you out of jury duty. The best way to do that is wait for “jury selection” when both lawyers interview you to see if they actually want you to serve. Thats your best bet. I won’t explain why, as I don’t wish to help anyone get out of their civic duty, but you’ll understand once you have to experience it.

Age, jobs, college student, full time employees, etc. all have nothing to do with serving on a jury. If you’re a registered voter, you will eventually be called to serve. Everyone is picked at random but the actual selection process begins in the courtroom by the attornys. Different people are picked for different reasons according the each case and what the person is charged with. Jury selection has a major impact on the outcome of a trial in my opinion. But there will always be times when the evidence so overwhelming, that it really won’t matter one way of the other who is on the jury. Such was the case with my jury experience. There was a wide variety of jurors young and old, white and blue collar, male and female, caucasion & african american on the case I served. But after going over all the evidence, we had no choice but to charge him with the crime.

If you ever get chosen to serve on a jury, do so enthusiastically and with pride. You’ll learn alot about our court system and I promise you its really not that bad. After all, someday you may need someone like yourself judging a family member or a friend of yours or even yourself. And you’re going to want somebody that WANTS to be there, not somebody that would rather be home watching Oprah.
I can’t even imagine how many people are serving time because of jurors that didn’t pay attention and/or just made a snap judgement and agreed with everybody else in the room, just so they could get home. Not many people really think about it like that, but until you’ve served on a murder case where you’ve had to put somebody behind bars for a very long time, its hard for people to understand. Don’t take jury duty as an obligation, but a service to your community. Go into it with a positive attitude and an open mind and it will be a very interesting experience for you. At least it was for me.

“When you go into court you are putting your fate in the hands of 12 people that weren’t smart enough to get out of jury duty.”
–Norm Crosby

Thanks for the info, CR67. Your first hand experience, being forman no less, sounds amazing.

Despite the case being settled, for which I was called to jury dismissing those of us who were called the night before, I do know a fair amount about some of the depositions, expert witnesses and thinking strategies through with attorneys.

I, too, hope someday I can serve on a jury both because I hope that if I were charged with a crime I would have people who took my future and what the alleged crime/conduct was, and review all the evidence.

As for 12 of my “real friends” compared to what Jeremy labeled as my e-friends about a year ago, I think probably 95-98% have valid reasons to excused from Jury Duty. While I understand each case is different, thus certain factors will give one side or the other one of their “free” stricks and dismissals, I’m trying to encourage my friends to serve their turn on juries.

There have to be people, like CR67, who insist on going back through the EVIDENCE and building either an acquittal or a guilt verdict beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt. Someone has got to keep the jury on task and reviewing facts, not just feelings.

Attorneys always end with highly emotional statements in trials. The jury can’t buy into an appearance of someone as either a victim or being guilt, simply by his/her appearance.

Joe, maybe we should consider adding a new feature on IFz.Com and that is nominating the Particpant of the Week. I’d nomiate CR67 based on what he has told us about his jury duty and how he insisted FACTS be used for evidence. The nominating could be from the most powerful posts of the week.

CR67, good job!!!!

Oh brother, I received this message via the IFz contact form:

We have started a petition on behalf of Torey Adamcik asking for a reduction in his sentence. There was so much negative media coverage involving this boy that people forgot he is still a child and a first time offender. He had an unfair trial and was not allowed to testify even though he wanted to. Torey’s attorney’s only cared more about their law practice and future cases in front of this Judge than giving the jury the full story, which is why the family feels they rested their case so soon into trial. No DNA evidence linked Torey to the actual murder yet he was punished the same simply for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Cari Barichello
justiceforjuveniles.org
815-673-4931
poochyboo@msn.com

Isn’t it ironic that this group cries for the “child” being sent to prison while ignoring the “child” who was murdered for fun?

I believe there is some injustice in our system, and I applaud those with the time and energy who fight to fix the legitimate wrongs. When people make up obviously lame excuses for clear-cut cases like these two Pocatello brats, they set back the work of all those legitimate cases.

I just looked closer at the petition site, and realize it is those environmental idiots Care2 who once mistook IFz for the city newspaper. Most of the folks who signed their petition (26 as of this moment) do not live in Idaho and so they are probably not familiar with the case.

Another issue I take with this person is labeling Adamcik a “child”. He was 16 years old at the time of the murder, wasn’t he?

We could have an interesting discussion on the double-standard of treating teenagers as adults in murder crimes but treating them as children in consensual sex cases, but I think portraying a 16 year old as a “child” further illustrates the ridiculousness of this person’s argument.

And I’ll say it again, that Care2 organization is full of band-wagon-hopping sheep who will sign their names without understanding any of the issues.

A life sentence is death
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/-help-stop-child-executions

The 90% (I havent counted) either have direct ties to Idaho, the case, other cases dealing with the issue of the over 2,200 people in USA serving life with out for crimes they commited or wer involved in when they were UNDER 18. The rest of the worlds developed countries have under 12 total, yeah. Sympathy aside Torey is still not an adult by any means. We chose the site for it layout and ease of use and most respondents thus far were already following the case or have prior corrospondence with Torey or his family for support or to offer information. The DNA evidence did prove Torey did NOT stab his friend (it was his idea to test all the evidence for DNA, at our expence, before he even understood this testing). This and the evidence about Brian’s threats of school killings, years befor he knew Torey, and facts about PPD not fully investegating this, wont help torey now.(but it cuold have saved Cassie) This will come out in Stoddart’s civil suit. The judge wont concider this now, he said early on he belives they are guilty and so he dose not want to hear about new trials or innocence. Just send letters to the court with cc to Aaron and Mark, asking for a chance to see a parole board someday becouse He is not an adult. Use the guide lins for you letter in the petition when you sign it. The information is at http://www.justiceforjuveniles.org/
http://www.myspace.com/triedasadults
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/VoicesForTorey
We wish the jury had all the stuff in evidence that supports Torey’s defence, we relied on atterneys we later found out wern’t- well I still don’t yet understand lawyers. This is only about the rule 35 that is now.

I’d have to agree with Mike & Joe here.
These two punks certainly knew what they were doing and they knew right from wrong. We all make stupid decisions and mistakes when we’re that age. God knows I certainly did. But with that being said, I also knew better than to take another persons life. That thought never crossed my mind at that age. What they did goes above and beyond any teenage prank and/or stupid mistake. They took this girls life, and then tried to cover it up. And now they must pay for their actions. I sure don’t feel any pity for these losers! The fact that their sitting in isolation for 20 hours a day is just too bad. That’s the price you pay for taking another human beings life. They should have thought about the consequences of their actions BEFORE going through with this murder. I say tough luck! You wanna act like an animal and end somebodys life, then society and our court system will treat you like an animal and lock you up in a cage for the rest of your life.
Good luck boys….you not only ended this girls life, but your own! Its rather ironic….dontcha think?

Yeah….WHATEVER! Hindsight is 20/20 buddy! Of course he’s sorry, NOW. Those words mean absolutely nothing to me and I’m sure they bring no comfort whatsoever to Cassie’s family. Nobody cares about Brian’s myspace page or what he wrote. The point is he took a persons life and for that he’s paying the ulitmate price. His own life. YOU sir Bob may think it’s worth reading….perhaps it tugs on your heartstrings….and we can only thank God you didn’t serve as a juror on his trial. The facts are the facts and you won’t find any sympathy from this crowd I can assure you of that.
Go peddle your sob story somewhere else.

It seems both sides are continuing the saga, for whatever reasons. Draper and Adamcik are guilty, period. They videotaped it and killed her in a horrifying way. Now a petition and further court for Adamcik, plus a civil lawsuit from the victim’s side. What monetary gain do they really expect? This will never end for any of them. I believe a life sentence was just. How many of you want these boys out in 10 years and around your daughter? Both families have suffered enough, this only draws it out infinitely. Online and emailed petitions are a joke most of the time. I really like the letter to the editor a lady wrote to the Idaho State Journal in today’s edition. She sums it up well. The only sentence I disagree with is “death is a natural course of life” - maybe so, but death by murder is not a natural part of life!

/start letter/
Rebecca Sherwood, Pocatello
Today, I am heartsick. Our community has already suffered because of Cassie Jo’s murder. All three families have suffered losses of their children. Cassie’s family has lost their daughter in a tragic way. However, death is a natural course of life.
Cassie’s death was awful; I’m not trying to discount that in any way. Her killers lost their lives by their actions. They will never have the life their parents wished and hoped for both boys to have. Thus, they have lost their children also.
This lawsuit will not help bring Cassie back. It will not soothe the heartache of her family. It will not help her family move on without their precious child.
In my mind this lawsuit will only further divide this community when it needs to heal and come together. Please, don’t ruin the lives of the boys’ families, they, too, are grieving. Please, to all members of our community, please be kind, be thoughtful and help the Stoddarts, Drapers and Adamcik families through this difficult time. /end letter/

The rule 35 motion is not aboute guilt or innocence or a sentence lees than life, it is about a convicted 16 year old haveing a chance to see parole board some day. The parole board dose not mean he will get out in 25, 30, of 40 years, only to be reviewed, they have no chance of that now. What do you think ? Other states say 25 years then parole board, some states say under 17 then no death in prision sentence. the trend is changing away from life without. Brian was caled a moderate risk to reoffend if he is traeted, Torey was called a low risk. Brian wont get help he needs in an adult jail with LWOP. That is a big problem, people arnt disposable! Torey proved he did not stab, but that dosent seem to matter now that he is convicted. The law suit will undoutably cause the plaintifs more pain than can be offset by any potential gain as finger pointing is rarely benificial. So no one is begging for a lighter sentenence, just rule 35 motions to consider facts. Please try to think like someone other than a 5th grader traped in an adults body.
thepetitionsite.com/1/voicesfortorey

Does the news release today that 1 of every 100 americans are in prison give anyone new perspective on this issue?

I am very sad to read any of these posts. It seems that Joe and his readers do not know what a tragety is except to use it as a venting for ignorance and hate. I hope that none of you are ever faced with the kind of pain and devistation that has occured to these THREE families. They all loved their children and everybody lost.

If you have ever sat on a jury you know that even a jury is not given all of the facts. If you know anything about the press you know they do not report all of the facts. You are entitled to your opinion, but that is all it is. You were not there.

These ARE children. The reason there is no death penilty in the US for minors is because the supreme court ruled that juveniles are not fully developed and therefore should not be held to the same level of accountability as an adult. You can debate that too, but the people involved in making that desicion were better educated than you. We are talking about much more than knowing the difference between knowing right from wrong, we are talking about brain developement and if you are not a neurophsycholigist you probably do not know much about what you speak.

Let people heal. These cruel words are hurtful and harmful and delay the healing proccess for all.

Our words are cruel? How about what they did to Cassie? Don’t divert attention from their actions to what we have to say on this simple blog.

Give me a break about the healing. Our words are not going to help anyone heal. When a child is murdered, no words can make it all better.

What our community desires is to stop these type of acts. Read up on the definition of deterrence. If it stops one other minor from committing an act like this in the future so be it. Perhaps that can be the purpose these two can serve–they have to give up their lives just like Cassie did. Except, they still get to visit with their parents and friends. Cassie is not that lucky.

I do too! Which is why it pisses me off when this Sean person comes on the site asking us to sign his petition and give these kids a break because “they were children” when they committed this crime.
These two punks should of thought about the consequences BEFORE they decided to take another persons life. PERIOD! But now that their sitting behind bars and they no longer have a life themselves and they’re sorry for their actions, Sean wants us to feel sorry for THEM. I don’t think so. At least THEY are still alive. At least THEY can still have friends and family come visit them. That’s more than we can say for Cassie!
I’ve been a jury forman before and with the help of the other jurors, we put a man behing bars for 40 years with no possibility for parolee, for being an accessory to murder. So I know how it works firsthand. You say that not everything came out in the courtroom. Well that’s not our problem. Each side has plenty of time to plead their case and produce all the evidence they have. So this is not about some so called “one sided media slant”. Whatever the media reported is irrelevant. What happened in court is fact. And that fact is Torey and is psycho friend murdered this poor girl in cold blood. I feel no pity for them if they are in fact sitting in a cell for 23 hours a day. So take your “petition” and go look for sympathy somewhere else. These two were certainly “old enough” to know right from wrong. Heck, my 3 y/o knows right from wrong!

Sorry, as a libertarian, I don’t believe in state sponsored murder (sometimes called the death penalty). Our justice system is not anywhere close to perfect, and the chance we will execute even ONE innocent person is not worth the risk to me.

Do I think these two are guilty? Yes. Do I think they deserve to be put away forever? Yes.

We feed and house (using public tax dollars) millions of people in this country every day, so a few more that we don’t kill won’t be a huge drain on our economy. And as has been pointed out, sometimes they end up waiting for years before we do it anyway.

“What our community desires is to stop these type of acts. Read up on the definition of deterrence. If it stops one other minor from committing an act like this in the future so be it.” A direct way we as parents stop bad things from happining is by knowing who are kids are with and checking on them periodicly, unlike Cassie’s parent who left her alone for 3 days in a remote home with NO supervision. Many people from her school knew she was alone all weekend cuz there were many invites to party where Cassie was house sitting.

I find Reader’s comment repulsive as well! Because she was left alone???? Like that is supposed to justify these two idiots behaviour and make it ok to kill her? That sickens me to no end!
Cassie was certainly “old enough” to be left home alone “unattended” as you put it. Just as these two murderers were “old enough” to know right from wrong!
Why don’t you try sympathizing for the victims family for once instead of sympathizing & making excuses for these two murderers?? It would probably help you sleep better at night.

READER - get your own screen name!!!!

I seem to recall Cassie was HOUSESITTING for RELATIVES for the WEEKEND!

Many of us did the same thing in high school or college.

Cassie’s family knew exactly where she was, what a crock.

She was not in a remote location. She was outside Chubbuck city limits in a neighborhood with other homes. You make it sound like she was in the middle of nowhere.

Either stop lying and embellishing the story or move to another site where people might actually believe you. This isn’t the place. The boys are guilty of a pre-meditated, horrific murder. Both are sick and need to stay in prison!

—reader #1

The motion was denied! Kudos to Judge McDermott for upholding justice.

I think it was summed up by Cassie’s grandpa saying, “So what if Torey is in a tiny little room? My granddaughter will never leave her casket.”

KIDK 3 reports that online petition had 300 signatures, but the defense decided not to use it? They made such a big deal out of it, running to all the media with their petition, got so many people worked up over it, then didn’t use it?

Why not?

I agree! Great JOB Judge McDermott! I enjoyed hearing him tell that punk he will not get a reduced sentence and that he believes he should spend the rest of his life in prison! Gotta love when justice is served!
And Mike is right: 300 signatures is nothing when it comes to a murder case like this. They would have needed at least a few hundred thousand before they would have even bothered to submit it. (imo)
Guess there just weren’t too many people that felt sorry for these two murderers. Not when they’re still alive and poor Cassie is 6 ft under. I’m willing to bet anything that judge will deny the other ones appeal as well.
Job well done Judge!

I agree…..Mike is definately one of our more knowledgable posters. I always wondered what line of work he was in. Would you care to share that information with us Mike?

The petition signers have to register and list their city/state/country, so anyone can see it.

Well, Mike, if that is your real profession, I’m impressed. I think that is a difficult job to do, because no one really trusts what the used car salesman says. It’s such a classic for one-liners (almost like lawyers).

Thanks for sharing.

I heard through the “grape-vine” that Mike is a Political Science Professor at ISU. But you know what they say about “hear say”….

LOL! Good comeback!!

ROFL! That was good Nemesis! Especially the “penchant for dirty welfare babes” bit!
Thanks for the laugh you guys!

Wow….Mike is throwing some heat today!
We tried to talk Joe into a “meet & greet”, but he said he’s too shy to go to a function like that. He said we’d have to do it on our own and tell him how it went. Now I imagine Joe as Neo in the Matrix movie where he just sits in the dark all day with the curtains drawn, drinking RedBull and writing code! Ordering take out and telling the wife to get out and close the door behind her! LOL j/k Joe!

Babs, THANKS!!! I was imagining that very scene that you described when I blogged recently, but I couldn’t remember, for the life of me, where it came from.

I listen to K-Bear, and they had a band on live recently, with a crank-it or yank-it vote on the possible first single from their next album. I called in and voted (while driving home from work) and the dj and the band members got a good case of the giggles from my voice…they apparently thought they had a sultry babe on the other end of the line.

But I’m exactly that woman in the music video. And I’m their mothers’ age. And hearing them make with the little excited noises gave ME a case of the giggles, thinking, oh, if they only knew…

The mystery is the whole point, in a nutshell! I have my own mental images of you, CR67, Mike, 007, and Joe (and even live_free) as folks who comment here often.

Of course, I may just be yanking your chains with this story…

okay, just to keep that walk down memory lane going: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yGCHPmfqT0

that is the old, scratchy video from youtube.

I served 4 years in the marine corps and in that time I became close friends with a guy named Anthony Savedra he is from pocatello idaho. I remember him crying one day telling me one of his friends back home was brutally stabbed to death by some other guys he knows. Tony is one of the strongest guys I know, he was a victim of a car bomb while doing a tour in iraq. I never say him shed a tear about being blown up, But i saw tears swell up in his eyes when he talked about Cassie. To anyone that thinks these two kids (adamcik and draper) deserve lighter sentences than maybe you should talk personally to someone affected by this horrendous crime. The only thing I hope that changes is I hope those punk kids are taken out of isolation so bubba can have a fresh go at them! (edited per site Admin for violoation of Rule 3: no profanity or euphemisms for profanity) LWOP is still alive unlike cassie and her family…. Bod bless Cassies family and the whole community of pocatello.

More lawsuits coming, but after reading this I fail to see why her family is holding the school district accountable in Pocatello. More details (as usual) need to be obtained by the news. Unless they can prove a specific staff member knew the boys were plotting, and did nothing, how can they win? It’s sad the school will probably settle to get them to go away. And up, up, up our taxes go…

http://www.kpvi.com/Global/story.asp?s=8947986

I just saw this story on Investigation Discovery. I used to live in Idaho Falls and went to school at ISU.

Just wanted to extend my sympathy to all three families.

To hear those two young boys say on video that they wanted to get to killing (plural) is both shocking and so very sad.