Editorial Note: This article was submitted to me by someone else, a local who is concerned about the Rex Rammell situation and who has unique perspective. If they choose to follow this up by registering and writing more, I’ll change the author’s name on this article to properly attribute their work.
Rex Rammell and his elk farm are in trouble again, and once again not taking responsibility for any of the trouble he is causing.
Montana and Woming officials contacted Idaho officials that an unknown number of Rex Rammell’s domestic elk have escaped his elk farm, which happend around August 2nd. It is the responsibility of the elk owners to provide the means to keep wild animals out of their domestic herds, and to keep their domestic herds inside their fenced farm. Why did Wyoming and Montana officials, not Rammell, have to contact Idaho officials? Does anyone realize that the natural breeding season for elk is September and October?
These elk are very close to Yellowstone Park, which is the real concern and urgency. Rammell keeps talking about these elk being on private property. There is not anything keeping them on private property. It is vital that these domestic elk do not breed with the native Rocky Mountain elk, because they could dilute the native breed. Rammell claims they have pure blood lines, but has given no proof of his claim.
Rammell is known for his defiance with the Fish & Game. When the F&G went to talk to Rammell, under a directive from Govenor Risch, Rammell told them to get off his property. He claimed he does not answer to the F&G.
He would not provide any information about how many elk escaped, or how many he had recoverd. Time and time again he has broken regulations governing his elk farming. He was even forgiven $750,000 in fines by the Idaho legislature.
At what point is Rammell going to be held responsible for his actions? The elk farms are not governed by the F&G, but the F&G are called to take care of the elk farms’ problems. Where is the Department of Agriculture in this saga? Why aren’t they involved?
It costs $10,000 each day for the helicopter alone. How much are the extra F&G wages costing Idahoans? How much is the fuel costing us? Who is paying for it? Not Rammell! If Rammell chooses to sue the state, who pays for that? Not Rammell! Who’s responsible for this mess? RAMMELL! It’s time he take ownership for his irresponsibility.
The state of Montana took action, and made fenced “hunting” and domestic elk ranching illegal. Those already owning elk ranches were grandfather-claused. So where do the elk they continue to raise go? You guessed it, Idaho.
So whether you are a sportsman, taxpayer, an environmentalist, or a concerned citizen, we need to voice our opinion and be heard. Hold Rex Rammell responsible for his mistakes, and hold the Department of Agriculture responsible for enforcing their regulations!
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Wow, I didn’t know it was so easy for one person to break laws and get away with it so easily. If he was a responsible breeder he would have opened his land up as an elk preserve, kind of like the one outside of Jackson.
The attitude of this man to just ignore the situation like it is no big deal really gets under my skin. He is putting his own interests before those of the Idaho F&G and the states of Wyoming and Montana.
In my opinion leave the wild in the wild unless you have the means to keep your operation in check, which includes checking in with the F&G if need be. Look at Bear World, it is a legal operation and a good bunch of people run it. Imagine if their bears got loose.
Rex Rammel needs to step up and fix the situation or at least help out in the recovery efforts.
I agree with the fact that these “elk ranches” (which are really high fenced hunting, and I use the term “hunting” loosely resorts where lazy wealthy shooters come to harvest elk that are in a no win situation,) need to be shut down! I am an avid hunter of wild elk on public land, where there is always the possibility of going home empty handed or with a non “trophy” animal. It always makes my skin crawl to see these ranches at sports shows and on the internet advertising as a “fair chase hunt”. Both Rammell and Jeff Sidoway(juniper hills elk ranch) have advertised their operations as fair chase hunts. Hopefully the sportsmen and the public will see an initiative on the ballot and have a chance to put these guys out of the “non fair chase” hunting(and I use the term loosely) business.
What are the supposed fines or actions that the department of agriculture can or should be doing?
I haven’t heard any report of the Ag dept getting involved in any of this.
I hope the state is preparing to sue Rex Rammell for the costs of this ongoing operation (especially the $10k daily helicopter costs).
There are people who do whatever they want, no matter the cost and no matter the consequences and always paint themselves as the victim. There are people who can do no wrong in the sight of man and God. And then there is Rex Rammell. I know a former PR reporter who did a story on Rammell’s last tangle with F&G. He had several fellow elk ranchers tell him, on the record, that Rammell is an embarassment to the elk ranching profession. His latest escapades do little to change that opinion.
Did you hear that the Govenor is allowing residents to buy a depredation tags to hunt Rammell’s elk?
Rex Rammell is doing a better job at his armchair litigation than as an elk ranch owner. In the end he’ll be as successfull in the former as it’s turning out he was in the latter.
Every time Rex has run to the press, notice how he is incapable of taking any responsibility for his own inactions and his own errors?
He claims the Fish and Game have scared the elk out into the thick timber. Rex, what about reports that you chased elk into thick timber to frustrate the F&G efforts? Rex, what about the month between the escape and when our neighboring states had to report the escape for you that the elk were able to scatter?
When is Rex Rammell going to be held responsible for his actions?
Now he makes two contentious claims in the news.
In the PR he said he’ll sue any hunters authorized to hunt his elk who do so.
On KIDK-3 he says he’ll physically place himself and his family between the hunters and the elk.
Rex Rammell seems to be transforming himself into a fatalistic David Koresh.
He fails to take responssibilities for his actions, and those consequences will eventually arrive to Rex. He is taking actions everyday that hamper state efforts to clean up his mess, and those consequences should arrive immediately.
The next thing Rex Rammell and any members of his family or friends do to hamper this operation, they should be arrested and kept in jail. I’m shocked he has not been arrested yet.
Let him rant daily to the media from jail while the state cleans up his mess without him interfering.
From http://www.crisscross.com/us/news/35602
“Idaho Fish and Game Department Director Steve Huffaker blamed the early lack of success on efforts by Rammell and his associates to keep the elk away from state shooters.
‘We learned over the weekend the owner of these animals has been out there on four-wheelers hazing them and running them back into the trees, so we just left Sunday to let things settle down,’ Huffaker told The Associated Press Monday”
Why hasn’t Rex Rammell been arrested yet?
Does anyone even recall just a few years ago, that there were bonified wild animals (deer and moose) that got “inside” Rex Rammells pens?!
Of course he was not accountable for that either for one reason or another, but the animals had to be killed, for the same reasons the escaped elk need to be killed, to avoid risk of spreading disease to wild animals. Now HOW pray tell, did these wild animals get “inside” Rex Rammells pen? Who paid for the wild animals kill, and processing? I’m pretty sure it wasnt Rex. Yes, this whole happening is factual, almost hard to believe, but its true.
The man needs to be held accoutable for himself, and his operation of his “fake hunt farm” and the fake hunters who patronize these types of operations, need to be exposed and publicly ridiculed.
Hold Rex accountable!
Come on ethical sportsmen, sportswomen, and all of us.. its time to shut this joke down!
Are any legislator’s considering legislation to ban these fake hunt farms in Idaho? Should we follow Wyoming and Montana’s lead?
If so, should we ban all of them or exempt existing farms, such as Rex Rammell’s? If we grandfather existing farms, I think we should emplace stringent rules which if violated would quickly shut down the grandfathered farms.
Its a free country. I think he should be allowed to run his Elk Ranch. But he should also been required to have radio tags on his elk. So if they get out he can find them easier. He shouldnt have covered the escape up. That should land him in jail. As far as killing his elk. Come on Don’t believe the idiot that says they can spread sickness to the wild herds thats BS. Rex has a good point about the 14th amendment that guarantees no state shall deprive a person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. He maintains his elk are his property and the State of Idaho is taking that away. I agree with Rex on that point. But its also his fault he didnt have a contigency plan for an escape of his elk. I think there should be some new laws about radio tagging farm elk and other game. The state of Idaho is wrong with killing the Elk they pose no threat.
I agree radio tags should have been required, and I hope they start requiring and enforcing that going forward.
I disagree with the idea that Rex Rammell is being deprived of property without due process of law. The due process required he notify the state, and he refused to do so. The due process of law makes his elk free for killing if they’ve been out for more than a week.
Rex has refused to cooperate with efforts that were trying to help him in the past and in this instance. He left his elk roaming for weeks and suddenly decided he needed to round them up when the media attention was focused on him.
The only thing I hear each time he runs to the media (a daily event now) is his disavowing any responsibility. Look for the part of each media bit where he blames someone else for his problem; it’s there nearly every time.
It’s also elk mating season now. Rex claims all of his elk are from yellowstone stalk, but has he proved it? I’ve heard he refuses to cooperate and share his breeding information (if he even keeps it up).
Disease is one concern, but many fear he has other breeds that will dilute the wild stock. If so, Rex Rammell will have permanently and irrevocably polluted our wild elk herds.
The radio tags may sound thought provoking, however thats opening a huge can of worms, when it comes to issues like “honeing in on that big trophy bull” with a tracking device inside the fake hunt ranch, rendering it even more of a farce in ethics and sportsmanship (dont think that wouldnt happen, you may be surprised what some will wag cash around for)in this day of modern technology the one thing that is most definately suffering the worst is the hunting/sporting industry, or rather the wild animals that are put at greater and greater dissadvantage.
I take issue with the comment about “its BS” that these animals have little chance of spreading disease to the truely wild animals.Thats NOT the point! The point is, we are NOT obligated to take that chance nor should we be. These very issues span generations of livestock breeding for example, farmer A has spent decades of culling and fine tuning his breeding stock, weeding out the weaker family traits and perpetually sickly animals. One day farmer B has a dozen animals hed like to breed with farmer A’s stock, they all seem healthy and look healthy, and the breeding deal sounds plausible and is considered, until farmer A discovers that farmer B could not afford certain innoculations for 4 years during an outbreak of a new virus in cattle, and now farmer B’s breeding stock are 10 times more suseptable to the the virus, as are are the offspring. This scenario renders farmer A’s hard work for many years worthless, should he breed, and puts his stock and livelyhood at risk.
Long story but you get the picture, and there are 100’s of other senarios very similair.
Another thing to seriously consider before claiming Rex’s elk are pure, is can you or any of us really trust the Rex Rammells of the world to “honestly” report sickly, and or dieing inexplicably animals through the proper channels? That answer is NO and therein lies yet another of the dozens of good reasons to put ALL of his escaped animals down.(Rex’s track record)
Yeah the 14th amendment garuntees certain private ownership rights, of course, and as it should. However, when your personal private ownership of land, or animals in this case, has even a “chance” of posing a risk or threat to the general publics intrests, thats where your private individual ownership rights end, and the masses private ownership and rights superceed, just as it should be!
Its like taking your children a day care where the daycare provider has refused health inspections now and again. Its like having unprotected sex with somebody you just dont know all that well. These are things that responsible, accountable people just dont do.
Wake up and smell the coffee!
Excellent point, the disease or genetic polution risk may turn out to not have existed, but how many of us want to let Rex Rammell gamble our wild herds with his personal guarantees?
Not me. Rex has already proven himself our adversary, an unethical sportsman, a sloppy businessman, a blustering armchair litigator, a media groupie, and a liar.
No, I don’t want Rex to gamble our collective fortunes with his personal irresponsibilities.
There are rules governing elk farming. Rex Rammell brokes those rules…..AGAIN. At some point in time Rammell should be held responsible. He broke the rules, and now he must suffer the consequence. When did we forget this simple principle? I’m tired of Rammell playing the victim…..AGAIN.
Once again, what about the cost? The Fish and Game are required to clean up these messes made by irresponsible elk ranch owners,yet they receive no funding from these organizations. The Idaho sportsman are paying for it, unless Govenor Risch is refunding the Fish and Game for the expense. The taxpayers would then be funding it. Maybe the Dept of Agriculture should bear the expense, then maybe they would do a better job overseeing these ranches.
A Fish and Game Biologist told us that this isn’t the only elk farm problems that they deal with. It is the one that made the news. They are constantly having to deal with situations like this. Something needs to change. Rammell needs to take responsibility, for once!
When we have legislators like Lenore Barrett taking poor ol’ Rex’s side in this mess, what do you think our chances are of having the legislature do anything to “improve” the game ranching situation in this state?
Mrs. Barrett needs to talk with Rammell’s compatriots in the game ranching industry before she believes any more of his sob stories. I’ve talked with the guy. He’s slick. He’ll home in on the naivete of a person and use that to his advantage time and again. He’s an extreme suck-up to the media (the PR knows this, and that’s why they’ve been using AP dispatches on the mess, because he’s such a manipulator).
I was talking to someone this weekend who brought up this question about Rex Rammell’s honesty and intentions:
Since Rex Rammell was in the process of selling his property for at least several weeks now, and his elk escaped during that sales process due to his neglect, and he did not report the elk escape, and he did not begin even trying to round up the elk until Risch ordered their killings (and it blew out in the media),
Was Rex Rammell ever planning on taking any responsibility for his elk escaping, or did he hope to push it all off onto this Californian who bought his property?
Wonder what business ‘Reckless Rex’ is going to burden Idaho with next?
Here it is: He told the Rexburg paper earlier this week that he
1) Wants to write a book about his elk ranch experience, and how the state has made him the victim in his latest mess, boo hoo hoo.
2) He wants to run for public office and “tell us what our rights are.” Whenever anyone says they want to run for office so they can tell us what our rights are, I get nervous. He told the paper he’s pretty upset that gubernatorial candidate Butch Otter has come out against canned elk hunts, since good ol’ Rex said he was hoping for an appointment from Butch when he wins the governor’s race.
I hope he does run, so I can have the pleasure of voting for his opponent. Attention Democrats: This might be a good way to get elected in this state. Get involved with ANY race with Rex Rammell.
I read in this morning’s PR the sheriff’s office finally did something about Rex and arrested him. I was starting to wonder how tight buddies the sheriff was with Rex Rammell becuase he should have been arrested sooner in my opinion.
The Rex Rammell saga drags on, like a long train wreck we are driving by.
Rex is reportedly upset that the judge wouldn’t let Rammel turn his misdemeanor ticket for obstructing justice into a three ring circus with him lecturing the court on his constitutional beliefs.
I still think Rex’s logic is flawed, and could lead him to dangerous thinking and dangerous places.
He starts with a reasonable belief, that his escaped elk is still his property. He then goes out on the limb and thinks he is justified to do normally unreasonable actions, because it goes back to protecting his constitutional right.
Following this thinking can lead to dangerous places. We all know a homeowner has a right to use deadly force against burglars, right? Does Rex think he could apply deadly force to people hunting his escaped elk, because again it is an extension of protecting his property?
I have heard Rex jumping up and down screaming for months in the media and on the Neal Larson show about his rights, but have never heard him say a single word about his responsibilities that go with those rights.
Someone please ask the man to consider his responsibilities associated with his rights. Until now we have seen no attempt to take responsibility, and no acknowledgment ever that he could have possibly made the slightest mistake through any of this saga.
Rex will not get any support while he continues to hoot and holler without being humble enough to admit he ever made a mistake, and while he refuses to take any responsibility for his actions.
Failing to acknowledge his associated responsibilities makes him no different than a welfare recipient suckling on government.
Who knew Rex Rammell was such a Hilary Clinton fan?
Good points.
About the grizzly that tore his fence, I had not heard that before. However, the fact is he was not taking care of his business. He said he was recovering from back surgery. Did he not have family, friends, employees, or even a neighbor he could call and ask to check his fence once a day? He failed to take proper care of his business and claims it is not his fault, therefore he is failing to take responsibility.
Everything I have heard is that state law already clearly says the Risch’s actions were justified. If the law proves to have been wrong, that is another thing, but as far as I’ve seen Risch was legally sound in the order. Rex does not acknowledge that, he claims the order was illegal, and he muddies the issue.
Rex also fails to mention that many report he and his family chased elk into thicker brush with ATVs, making it harder for everyone to get to the escaped elk. He fails to acknowledge his role in that and therefore fails to accept responsibility.
I am glad to hear none of the disease tests were positive, however I have heard that Rex has fought all efforts to test his animals. I heard he first fought the Fish and Game’s efforts, then got his legislature buddies to change the authority to the Ag Dept, then got his buddies in the Ag department to look the other way and give him more leniency in testing. Mind you this is what I’ve heard from a few sources, definitely nothing I can say is fact.
So maybe if Rex took responsibility in assisting the government in testing his animals instead of hampering their efforts, we might have known better the state of his herds.
My personal beef with him is that he acts all pious and like he alone knows what is right, and he has consistently failed to ever take responsibility for any mistakes he might have made.
I could be a lot more sympathetic if he could admit he has not been perfect throughout this ordeal.
Joe, when you say you want to see Rex show responsibility, are you talking about complying with the rules and regs the Dept of Ag instigate each year for elk breeders?
Did the media say anything about the fact that a grizzly bear tore out the fence holding his elk?
And now there is a similar issue with the Cedar Creek Ranch in the Wolverine Canyon near Firth, requiring double fencing for that canned hunting operation, what have you heard about that?
Although I think Rammel is a bit over-the-top, he has some valid points, the governor was out of line ordering the elk shot, and so was the Fish and Game, I don’t think people know that the Dept. of Ag are the govt. entity incharge of elk breeders…not the Fish and Game.
All the testing that came back on Rammel’s elk was negative for disease and the genetics for impure came back negative also, I don’t know if those reports were in the general media either, and none of this information is found on the Fish and Game website.
So I am just curious as to why so many people are angry at Rammel personally, he is standing up for his rights, maybe a bit more extreme than most of us would go, but nontheless, this is America and we have a right to make a living any way we choose as long as it is legal.
And if we believe we are being treated unfairly and unjust then we have another right to pursue justice.
On another note, the legislators/politicians Rammel is attacking are the very ones being verbally attacked in another essay on this site… interesting indeed.
I have to side with Joe on this one. Every business owner in the country has to face
responsibility for their businesses, whether it be cleaning up hazardous waste, fixing
OSHA violations, mending fences or what not. If Rex Rammell is in the elk farming
business, then it’s his responsibility to keep his elk penned in. The fact that a grizzly
opened up his fence (I find that a little hard to believe) doesn’t matter. It’s still his
responsibility to keep his animals in. If he runs his operation in grizzly country, then
he should go about making his fences grizzly-proof and face the consequences when his
animals escape, by whatever method.
I personally think that Gov. Risch’s move was hasty, maybe uncalled for, and a bit
asenine, but all the same, Rammell should be made to pay for his mistakes.
So far, no one has mentioned the $750,000 in fines that the Idaho legislature let him
off on in the past. I’ve never heard what those fines originated from, or why they let him
off. I wonder how many politicians he had in his pocket to get that job done?
My opinion again: Just because of all the uproar and taxpayer expense this latest fiasco
has caused, Rammell should be made to pay those past fines plus all the expenses to remedy
the current situation.
On top of that, I see the Idaho legislature trying to pawn off their measly licensing
fees on elk ranches now. What good will that do? The real way to do it would be to have a
meaningful but reasonable licensing fee, put it in a fund along with the fines assessed
from violations like Rammells, and use that money to take care of situations like the
Rammell one and the similar one going on right now with the Rulon Jones thing. That way
the business of elk farming would fund the expense of policing itself. The taxpayers like
you & me wouldn’t have to shoulder the burden of paying for these few (15 I think) elk
farming operations and the hassles they create.
That’s just a basic thought. Maybe someone out there could add to it & come up with
something workable.
After all the problems of the escaped elk and Rulon Jones’ capturing wild elk on his private land, after all the posturing and preening of the parties in the media, after all the hubub and talk,
the PR reports our legislature failed to pass even the most watered-down rules for these shooter bull operations.
Including all of their antics this year, this could be the biggest waste of a legislative session ever.
What a waste of a legislative session. What a waste of taxpayer money this year. What a waste of legislators. What a waste of hot air.
Can anyone see a citizen’s initiative being launched to try doing what our legislators could not find the stomach to do?
The Post Register has had an informative article and op-ed piece that illuminates a bit more trouble with the elk ranches.
Specifically, a Meadow Creek Road elk ranch somewhere around Island Park, owned by a Mike Ferguson?
The issue is that folks are saying his ranch is dumping the elk guts outside their property, and not burying them. The big piles of elk guts are attracting bears to the area, which obviously creates related problems.
Today’s PR editorial suggested this Mike Ferguson who owns the elk ranch also owns the Bear World located near Rigby? Anyone know for sure on that?
I’m pretty sure that’s correct. I think he’s the son of one of the family that started a weight loss franchise in the ’70’s or so and sold it for multi-millions. He’s pretty used to having his own way. When Bear World opened I recall that he got some laws changed to allow for captive bears being put on public display. I feel sorry for the animals held prisoner there, also for the gullible people who spend money and think they are seeing wild animals. But I digress.
The situation with the elk guts shows how little disregard Mr. Ferguson has for his neighbors and fellow human beings. With his deep pockets, it is well within his ability to clean up the mess from his fake hunting business.
Good information.
To dump the guts out on the grounds outside his compound seems to communicate a great deal about how little concern he has for his neighbors, for the entire region (in enticing bears), and his ethics in running the shooter bull operation.
Does the department of agriculture have any guidelines for how these guts should be disposed of properly, or were they leashed by the shooter bull industry?
One would think common sense would tell you to either burn them or bury them. Just dumping them not only attracts bears it also causes disease to be spread by other animals that may come to feast on these remains.
Michael Ferguson, of what turns out to be called the Velvet Elk Ranch, quickly responded with a PR editorial today.
He didn’t come out and admit he had been dumping the carcasses (and certainly didn’t apologize for it), but said as of now and in the future they will be disposing of the guts in a safer matter. He realizes the danger the guts cause in attracting grizzlies and said he will not be part of the problem.
It’s nice to see someone make a change that benefits everyone in the area, rather than being bull-headed about their rights or irresponsibilities.
I am not a fan of private hunts.
If you remember Gov. Otter’s campaign he was on someone’s land with a small boy killing a prized Elk bull.
Gov. Otter was elected by all of you hunters.
What I do not understand that any of you would allow the government to come into your house and seek and seize your property.
According to Gov Risch he felt he met the government mandate of 7 days to do just that to Rex Rammell.
No one judges you on the way you live and when the Governor, Gov. Risch in this case does not even understand that Fish and Game does not regulate Rex Rammell’s farm is just plain wrong.
Gov Risch was a glory seeker and wanted to do anything to make his 7 months in office a mark in history.
What I challange the readers today is this: Gov Risch added a one cent tax to all the readers.
This tax was voted down by all the hunters and voters of Idaho.
Guess what, the one penny tax has no home but the general fund.
Why are we not all doing something about this. It effects all of us.
I am working on this procedure of special session and then taxation is purely illegal.
For all the folks that wrote a comment on Rex Rammell asking for him to be put in jail without any facts. Why are you not asking Lt. Gov Jim Risch for his termination of office?
He is not being terminated and he is asking for you to make him the next Senator of Idaho.
He was looking for a little news to get your attention in eastern Idaho.
I guess he got your attention and you wish to punish your fellow neighbor instead of a professional politcal candidate.
I know this actual post is outdated, but I have an opinion that was just achin’ to escape.
I can’t believe that someone with as much bad press as Rammell is even bothering running for office. Nearly every news story about him regarding his candidacy is flanked by another story somewhere in the paper about him doing something negative.
I personally will never vote for this man for anything because I totally disagree with his “fish in a barrell” elk farm. I know that is said and done (I hope so anyway) but I feel very strongly that the whole concept is wrong. I rarely have strong feelings one way or another about a politician because I don’t understand politics or follow it as closely as I probably should, but I would not vote for this man.
I believe that too many people are still concerned about his elk farm which has been history for some time, than what his actual views are. Whether or not you agree with him having an elk farm shouldn’t cloud your views towards what he wants to bring to the table politically. I too didn’t agree with his elk farm but I do think he’d be a good governor because he wouldn’t be your typical politician. We’ve got enough politicians out there, give the regular guy a chance I say. Look at what Jesse Ventura did for Minnesota and what Arnold Swartzenager did for California, not to mention Ronal Regan. Not politicians, just regular guys making a difference. This country needs more of that imho.
I do agree that the country needs less politicians and more regular guys.
And since, as I stated, I’m not good at following politics, what are the views that he has that make him stand out to you as someone that you would vote for?
The only reason he is running is because he’s pissed at Risch for declaring open season on his elk. He didn’t round them up fast enough – and really they shouldn’t have gotten out. I will never vote for him because his only motive for running (as far as I’m concerned) is Risch taking away the temporary protection of the elk that he extended. Rex failed to keep gather them up in a timely manner, so he called the hunters in.
I don’t give a damn what his policies are, I care about why he’s running in the first place. The tea party folk kicked his ass off the stage for a reason.
http://www.idahostatesman.com/localnews/story/769817.html
http://rexrammell.com/about.aspx
I don’t think he has all the answers. No one candidate ever does, but I’d give him a chance over re-electing Otter or Risch.
When he ran for Senate in 2008, the man got only 197 votes in his home county, compared to Risch’s 9,552. And frankly, he had the same policies then as he does now, except he’s found the new soapbox of no gas tax. I”m no big fan of Otter or Risch myself, but I’d rather see either of them in Boise than Rammell, regular guy or not.
The guy is a veterinarian and penned up animals to charge people to shoot them. He is a loser in every sense of the word.
Arrogant and obnoxious – he’s cost Idaho taxpayers a lot of money for his selfish ways.
He should shut up and disappear.
Anyone has to be better than Otter. I’d consider him more, once he comes clean on what his stance is on a few policies. I’d like to see him interviewed more, and asked more about his politics.